Frangipani

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Sandra

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Frangipani
« on: June 02, 2012, 08:18:46 PM »
I have just acquired small and as yet, not in leaf, frangipani for my Greek garden. What do I do with it? Should I keep it in a pot or find a suitable spot in the garden? I understand they need lots of sun and just enough water to stay moist but apart from that I know nothing! Can anyone help?
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I garden in the Southern Peloponnese, Greece and will soon be creating a small garden in Northampton, England.  I'm co-head of the MGS Peloponnese group and a member of the RHS.

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Alisdair

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Re: Frangipani
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2012, 07:23:41 AM »
Though this is by nature a small tree you can keep it in a pot, and might find it easier to manage in a pot.
It's a tropical plant, growing most vigorously from midsummer into autumn, when its water needs are highest - the very opposite of mediterranean conditions, which is why you rarely see this Plumeria growing well in mediterranean gardens (we did see it growing very happily on Ischia, in the subtropical paradise of La Mortella).
So if you kept it in a pot you would be able to give it plenty of water and sun in its summer growing period, and keep it dry and warmly sheltered in winter.
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2012, 10:03:58 AM »
Some tropical plants grow well in the mediterranean climate, and even look better than in their natural habitat (e.g. Bougainvillea). It doesn't seem to be the case with Plumeria though. But if you follow Alisdair's advise successfully, hopefully your Frangipani can have a happy long life in a pot.

See picture of a Frangipani in Congo (not the nicest i've seen) that must be >50 years old... It was a place full of mango trees, teck trees (Tectona  grandis), the aptly-baptised Hura crepitans,... and other forest trees I didn't have the luxury to identify.

NB: I saw a lot of tropical plants grow fantastically well in Rhodes by the way, but I can't remember of Frangipani in particular.
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Alice

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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2012, 08:17:29 PM »
Our neighbour on the Greek island of Paros has a whole forest of them (over 100 plants) growing in the soil. He waters them once a week in summer. The garden is within a few metres of the sea, so it gets no frost. Occasionally branches break off in high winds.
The flowers are very attractive and the scent heady but the the plant comes late into leaf (end of May - beginning of June) and for many months is not very attractive - bare fleshy trunk and branches.
Amateur gardener who has gardened in north London and now gardens part of the year on the Cycladic island of Paros. Conditions: coastal, windy, annual rainfall 350mm, temp 0-35 degrees C.

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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2012, 11:41:27 AM »
Alice, this has been my experience of them as well. I have one in my garden, placed in a little sunny hollow behind a building, in a patch of half-decent soil (rare in my garden) about 200m from the sea but protected from the wind. I bought it in the autumn of 2010, and upon planting, it rapidly lost its leaves and did not get them back for many months (I did wonder whether it had given up, but the trunks remained firm). It put on healthy leaves last year, eventually, but no flowers. This year, the same pattern so far, the leaves have only just come out in the last week, and it remains to be seen whether it gives a flower. It gets watered twice a week, though I plan to reduce this once it is established.

It seems to take a long time to make up its mind, but I am hoping the wait will be worth it. I have seen a couple in local front gardens that look utterly fabulous and happy - many-branched, full of big leaves - so time will tell if those are isolated examples (pumped full of water and fertilizer) or not. I am trying to imagine something that could clothe the lower branches while they are bare, but that would not detract from those lovely leaves once they appear. Perhaps a summer-deciduous clematis, which could be strategically pruned or woven into the branches at leaf-out, so it would remain hidden over summer, but give leaves, flowers and interest in the winter? C. napaulensis comes to mind. However I have just checked out the spec for this species and it gets rather large - 5m - so will perhaps get too big for its boots in a frangipani...
« Last Edit: June 16, 2012, 11:53:53 AM by Marilyn »
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2012, 10:08:02 PM »
Marilyn, trying to grow something to soften your plumeria's harsh outline sounds like a good idea.
The plumerias here get a lot of sun, are protected from the prevailing north winds (what got 2-3 of them was a freak south-easterly) and are quite heavily mulched. Otherwise they don't get any artificial fertilisers or other special treatments. Their average height is 1.2 metres (4ft).
They are just coming into flower now, and most plants are full of buds.
Amateur gardener who has gardened in north London and now gardens part of the year on the Cycladic island of Paros. Conditions: coastal, windy, annual rainfall 350mm, temp 0-35 degrees C.

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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2012, 08:54:03 PM »
Plumerias on Paros, June 2012
Amateur gardener who has gardened in north London and now gardens part of the year on the Cycladic island of Paros. Conditions: coastal, windy, annual rainfall 350mm, temp 0-35 degrees C.

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Alisdair

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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2012, 07:07:06 AM »
Lovely pictures, Alice, thanks! Bringing that warm tropical fragrance into a cold, wet, grey morning here in the UK.
Alisdair Aird
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Marilyn

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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2012, 06:07:45 PM »
Glorious! Thanks for sharing, Alice. Mine still have rather small leaves and no flowers, but since the temperature has only really moved up in the last couple of weeks, I will give them a bit more time. :)
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2012, 07:29:09 PM »
I have a Frangipani too.  Mine, at the moment, has quite big leaves and I am waiting everyday for the buds to appear.  They are terribly difficult in a coastal mediterranean climate in the garden but I keep persevering.  It flowered very well in the first years but after a 'cold' i.e. around 2-4 degrees at night winter 2 years ago it seemed to sulk (certainly last year when I had only one bloom of about 5 flowers).  But being the optimist that I am,  I hope for bigger and better things this year.  We will see!!  My Stephanotis floribunda does not look too wonderful as well,yet...but it's early days. Late July is its time.
I cannot resist planting and nurturing these 'sub tropicals' I have quite few.  They are so lovely.
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pamela

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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2012, 07:39:31 PM »
My Frangipani..............
Jávea, Costa Blanca, Spain
Min temp 5c max temp 38c  Rainfall 550 mm 

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Alisdair

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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2012, 06:59:53 AM »
Beautifully grown! You look as if you've managed to get plenty of moisture/humidity around it there, Pamela?
Alisdair Aird
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pamela

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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2012, 08:20:40 AM »
Thanks Alisdair!   Marilyn.  I have 'wrapped' the lovely Salvia discolor around my Plumeria. It's  very delicate, evergreen and slow growing (for me) with nearly black flowers and blueish leaves.   It doesn't overwhelm the small tree.
Jávea, Costa Blanca, Spain
Min temp 5c max temp 38c  Rainfall 550 mm 

"Who passes by sees the leaves;
 Who asks, sees the roots."
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Casalima

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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2012, 05:16:22 PM »
Beautiful frangipani, Pamela! I have one from El Jardín, the nursery not far from you (I think). I doubt it will ever look as good as yours, but I can hope  :)
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pamela

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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2012, 06:46:54 PM »
Thanks Fleur!
« Last Edit: July 12, 2012, 08:44:50 PM by pamela »
Jávea, Costa Blanca, Spain
Min temp 5c max temp 38c  Rainfall 550 mm 

"Who passes by sees the leaves;
 Who asks, sees the roots."
     - Charcoal Seller, Madagascar