Salvias

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Charithea

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« Reply #195 on: June 30, 2021, 08:14:03 PM »
David, I now have three lots of these unidentified Salvias . They are tough and seem to take the sun ok. but look lost among the other Salvias. . They need to be in an area where their leaves can be appreciated.  I am planning to do some re- arranging this autumn.  I need to talk to Yiannos to see if he is getting plants from Greece to order some for me too.  Good luck with your new orders.
I garden in Cyprus, in a flat old farming field, alt. approx. 30 m asl.

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Charithea

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« Reply #196 on: July 01, 2021, 03:12:23 PM »
I have decide to post some photos ofSalvia 'Anthony Parker' to show that not everything is so dry.  David, they are all cuttings of the original cutting you sent me a few years ago.  Thank you so much for your generosity.
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I garden in Cyprus, in a flat old farming field, alt. approx. 30 m asl.

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« Reply #197 on: July 01, 2021, 04:07:38 PM »
I was just about to post a thanks to you for the seeds of Salvia desoleana, Charithea. Germinated spring 2019 and now sending up their first flowers. It really needs to be against a wall or something to show of its flowers better. Yet another project for autumn!
I have a small garden in Rome, Italy. Some open soil, some concrete, some paved. Temperatures in winter occasionally down to 0C. Summer temperatures up to 40C in the shade. There are never watering restrictions but, of course, there is little natural water for much of June, July and August.

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Charithea

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« Reply #198 on: July 05, 2021, 04:09:19 PM »
David your are correct. TheSalvia desoleana needs to be paired with a strong colour to show up its flowers. Mine is next to Love and Wishes which helps a bit. I thought of trying it  next to a Salvia eiggii but its flowers don't last long. There are so many things to do in the Autumn. I have already earmarked the new spots for transferring the Salvia leucophylla and group the red Salvias together. We shall see.
I garden in Cyprus, in a flat old farming field, alt. approx. 30 m asl.

Umbrian

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« Reply #199 on: July 06, 2021, 06:48:05 AM »
Certainly a busy autumn for me too this year. The June heatwave we experienced showed up the need for some reorganisation as usually stalwart plants succumbed to the high temperatures, drying winds and absence of any substantial rain in the preceding month or so.  Just hoping things survive with two hot months still to come.
MGS member living and gardening in Umbria, Italy for past 19 years. Recently moved from my original house and now planning and planting a new small garden.

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Charithea

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« Reply #200 on: July 07, 2021, 03:05:32 PM »
The grandchildren are on holidays and our friends have returned home to their countries so I had more time to look through the book 'Aromatic and Spicy  Plants in Cyrus' by Georgios N Hadjikyriakou.  It reminded me of my efforts to grow Salvia dominica from seed and from cuttings before the first lock down.  They seeds were a failure but the cutting acquired from the Environmental Centre in early spring did well for a few months and then died  because it was not established before the hot sun burnt it. Salvia dominica is a rare indigenous plant of Cyprus that has amazingly aromatic leaves.  Today we went to the Centre and begged for some seeds.  I was also given some cuttings which you see in the photo.  I counted 25 seeds. I shall treasure them until is the right time to put them in the ground  Next visit will be at the Troodos Botanic Garden to beg some seeds of Salvia lanigera.  It has a blue to dark violet corolla.
I garden in Cyprus, in a flat old farming field, alt. approx. 30 m asl.

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« Reply #201 on: August 23, 2021, 12:39:26 AM »
I don't know about anybody else but I have no success with pale coloured Salvia hybrids apart from S. 'Melen'. I have tried with Salvia 'Gletsjer', S. 'Clotted Cream' and S. 'Il Pallio" (The double 'L' is correct, by the way. Nothing to do with that barbaric horse race. It is the colour of a part of Catholic religious clothing, it was explained to me). 'Clotted Cream' died as it moved into its second summer with me but it did leave me some seeds. Two germinated and one survived. That plant is now in its second year and, disappointingly, it has produced a red flower. It is also tall and lanky. I put it in the shade to photograph it. It is normally in full sun, so lack of light is not the cause of its lankiness. Perhaps I should register it as an accepted variety? Salvia 'Disappointissima'?

First 2 photos the parent plant followed by 2 photos of its offspring.
I have a small garden in Rome, Italy. Some open soil, some concrete, some paved. Temperatures in winter occasionally down to 0C. Summer temperatures up to 40C in the shade. There are never watering restrictions but, of course, there is little natural water for much of June, July and August.

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Charithea

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« Reply #202 on: August 24, 2021, 06:50:34 PM »
David, I don't think I ever had success with  Salvia 'Clotted Cream'.  It looks lovely. It is probably a cross with another more robust variety and it has reverted. I am thinking of 'Hot Lips' that at times has three colours. Put it somewhere safe and it might produce the desired colour next year. I am waiting for the cooler weather to start replanting the surviving Salvias. So many young plants died this summer.
I garden in Cyprus, in a flat old farming field, alt. approx. 30 m asl.

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« Reply #203 on: September 05, 2021, 12:45:17 PM »
Hi Charithea,

The photo you show is the same plant as I have. It was sold to me as Salvia jurisicii but it clearly isn't that. I bought it as seed. Either the seed was mislabelled or it has hybridised with another. But would the seed be viable in that case? And to get 2nd and 3rd generation identical plants would be unusual too?

I was looking through the seed list of the MGS for inspiration and I came across Salvia stenophylla. The photos on these web pages look identical to the mystery plant that was sold to me as seed of S, jurisicii.
https://les-aromes-du-gres.com/plantes/sauges/salvia-stenophylla
http://salvia.la.coocan.jp/salvias/stenophylla.html
I have a small garden in Rome, Italy. Some open soil, some concrete, some paved. Temperatures in winter occasionally down to 0C. Summer temperatures up to 40C in the shade. There are never watering restrictions but, of course, there is little natural water for much of June, July and August.

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Charithea

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« Reply #204 on: September 05, 2021, 04:54:25 PM »
Thank you David.  I just looked at the Salvia stenophylla  and it does look very much like our Salvia. Despite the extreme heat and little shade the Salvia is doing well. Also the seeds from last year 's Salvia grew and flowered and are ok. They will die down in the Autumn and come back next Spring. I am thinking of putting  down more of their seeds next year to give them volume. I followed an Instagram 'Salvia specialist' and was enthralled by the beautiful Salvias but I know they will never survive here.
I garden in Cyprus, in a flat old farming field, alt. approx. 30 m asl.

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Re: Salvias - Salvia azurea
« Reply #205 on: September 26, 2021, 08:18:37 PM »
This posting could easily have been put  with currently active "Shades of Blue". When I went to the UK my Salvia azurea was just coming into bud. Now the flowers are opening. This a cutting kindly given to me by Umbrian. The cutting was taken last year so this is its first full year of growth. A lovely blue and very nice finely-cut foliage as well. It is growing in full sun for me, south facing. Needs a little watering. About once a week in summer in a large pot. Thanks again Umbrian  :)
I have a small garden in Rome, Italy. Some open soil, some concrete, some paved. Temperatures in winter occasionally down to 0C. Summer temperatures up to 40C in the shade. There are never watering restrictions but, of course, there is little natural water for much of June, July and August.

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« Reply #206 on: September 27, 2021, 08:04:32 AM »
Mine is in full bloom now David and a small plant raised from a cutting has also survived the summer heat and about to give me its first flowers. One given to my daughter in the U.K. has not done very well though - insufficient heat probably although she is still hoping.
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« Reply #207 on: September 29, 2021, 08:01:31 AM »
Some recent rain and the lowering of temperatures has seen many of my Salvias burst into renewed life. Royal Bumble and Nachtvlinder persevered during the hottest of weeks but now are really putting in a show.
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« Reply #208 on: September 29, 2021, 08:06:08 AM »
Pleased my last post went well- IPad out of action for some time and also a new app for reducing photos left me uncertain......especially regarding the photo.
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« Reply #209 on: September 29, 2021, 09:06:02 AM »
Must agree that S. 'Royal Bumble' is hard to beat. Strong colour without being in your face. Easy to grow and cultivate. Takes both the full summer heat and low winter temperatures. Has nice shape and good green foliage all year round for me. Could a gardener ask for more?

I have a purple salvia too. I took cuttings from plants growing in a garden set up in one of our railway stations. Mostly herbs and vegetables, the public were encouraged to take and plant what they wanted. For those who read Italian here is a very short article http://www.roma2oggi.it/?p=44603 Passing by recently, I noticed the garden has been ripped out and a smaller urban scheme planting put in its place. But the salvia lives on in my garden.

Seeing Salvia x jamensis 'Violette de Loire' at plant shows lead me to think that is what I have. But how I wish I could find somewhere that has S. jamensis 'Nachvindler' too so that I could make a direct comparison. Seems , in some photos on the www that the latter has a plum colour to it. But then other photos show it having the same colour flower as Salvia x jamensis 'Violette de Loire'.
I have a small garden in Rome, Italy. Some open soil, some concrete, some paved. Temperatures in winter occasionally down to 0C. Summer temperatures up to 40C in the shade. There are never watering restrictions but, of course, there is little natural water for much of June, July and August.