Nine orchids identified

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The Cypriot

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Nine orchids identified
« on: September 17, 2011, 03:31:24 PM »
Is this Limodorum abortivum (Violet Bird's Nest Orchid)?

« Last Edit: August 13, 2013, 06:07:09 PM by Alisdair »

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oron peri

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Re: Limodorum abortivum?
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2011, 08:39:05 PM »
Yes, it is.
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Re: Limodorum abortivum?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2011, 07:05:41 AM »
Nice find!

FYI, if you use MS Windows, you can rotate photos by:
right-click --> Preview and use the left or right -rotate buttons at the bottom
That is just an easy way of opening 'Windows Picture and Fax Viewer'.
That applies to Windows XP and some other versions.
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John J

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Re: Limodorum abortivum?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2011, 05:00:20 PM »
Can I ask where and when you found this plant? Pam Scraton, who studied orchid species in Cyprus for many years, only ever recorded finding them in the area to the south of Troodos square. That is at the top of the Caledonian Falls trail and on the Persephone Nature Trail, flowering in June. It's unusual in being a saprophyte (it doesn't perform photosynthesis so has no green leaves).
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The Cypriot

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Re: Limodorum abortivum?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2011, 06:44:48 PM »
Found plants (5) between trees and the grassland reserve at Almyrolivado
Picture taken 8 June

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John J

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Re: Limodorum abortivum?
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2011, 08:53:56 AM »
Thanks for that. It conforms with Pam's sightings for area and time of year.
Cyprus Branch Head. Gardens in a field 40 m above sea level with reasonably fertile clay soil.
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Re: Limodorum abortivum?
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2011, 04:40:01 PM »
John, you're welcome.

Two more pictures. The plants were covered in ants, probably for protection.

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I found a small colony of these near Steni (near Polis, western Cyprus), in good flower on 1may11. The flower shapes were fairly variable.

At the time, the best ID I could manage was Ophrys sphegodes ssp. mammosa.
But, a bit belatedly, I have just found out there is a new species on the block:
Ophrys alasiatica
syn. Ophrys sphegodes ssp. alasiatica (Kreutz, Segers & H.Walraven) H.Baumann & R.Lorenz, 2005,
which I have also seen described as
Ophrys sphegodes subsp. mammosa × O. sphegodes subsp. transhyrcana.
(This complex is a bit of a nightmare!)

I have limited description to go on re O. alasiatica.

Can anyone tell me if the ones in the photos from Steni are
O. sphegodes ssp. mammosa
or
O. alasiatica
(or something else)?

« Last Edit: April 06, 2012, 10:12:58 AM by Alisdair »
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Re: tricky orchid, Ophrys sp.
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2011, 02:38:45 PM »
Mike
As  you say this complex is a nightmare!!!

In my opinion you have right ID, it is Ophrys sphegodes subsp mammosa.

This form with greeny tiny lip has been called until recently Ophrys sintenisii but name is not vallid any more.

In fact Kreutz, Segers & H. walaraven have seperated this form yet to another species, O. alasiatica but this name is controversial.

All these species and subsp in Cyprus are now under one accepted name.  
« Last Edit: November 15, 2011, 06:21:10 PM by oron peri »
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Re: tricky orchid, Ophrys sp.
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2011, 03:23:03 PM »
Thank you Oron; how good it is to have your high-quality opinion :)
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Cali

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Wild orchids IDd by Oron as Anacamptis laxiflora and Serapias parviflora
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2012, 08:30:50 AM »
I know it's a Serapia and a Dactylorrhiza, but I never knew S. what and D. what. The references are confused by Corfu nature which often belongs to the Adriatic and Balkans reather than Greece. Any ideas from the usual suspects?
« Last Edit: April 16, 2012, 04:57:35 PM by Alisdair »
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Anacamptis laxiflora [not Dactylorrhiza] and Serapias parviflora.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2012, 09:19:46 AM by Alisdair »
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Re: Wild orchid ID
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2012, 09:56:12 AM »
Thanks as always Oron.
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Unusually large orchid IDd by Hans and Oron as Anacamptis laxiflora
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2012, 01:34:16 PM »
I found it on my land today. It measures at 53cm. I don't think I have ever seen such a tall one. Can Oron or anyone let me know what it is?
« Last Edit: June 05, 2012, 09:28:15 AM by Alisdair »
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Orchid in garden IDd by Oron as Anacamptis morio
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2012, 06:05:09 PM »
I am delighted to report that the wild orchid that appeared in a part of my garden last year, only to be eaten by something just about as it was about to flower, has re-appeared this year and is now in flower. I am pretty sure it is a green winged orchid, orchis morio and am going to try to post a photo but since we changed to a broadband service I don't seem to be able to post photos. (Much faster and better service apart from this problem, oh to be a computer expert!)
« Last Edit: April 22, 2012, 06:41:34 PM by Alisdair »
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