Unidentified tree

  • 8 Replies
  • 3979 Views
*

Alevin

  • Jr. Member
    • La Mortella
    • Email
Unidentified tree
« on: February 10, 2013, 10:08:34 AM »
A friend asked me to help putting a name on this tree, that he found growing in a huge Villa in the North of Italy, near one of the lakes.
It does look like a Ficus, but the fruit and flowers don't match. Does anybody have an idea?









Alessandra - Garden Director- Giardini La Mortella, Ischia, zone 9-10

David Bracey

  • Hero Member
    • Email
Re: Unidentified tree
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2013, 10:10:15 AM »
Looks a bit like acamellia?
MGS member.

 I have gardened in sub-tropical Florida, maritime UK, continental Europe and the Mediterranean basin, France. Of the 4 I have found that the most difficult climate for gardening is the latter.

*

Alevin

  • Jr. Member
    • La Mortella
    • Email
Re: Unidentified tree
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2013, 10:14:50 AM »
Yes it does, but flowers? fruit? tree-size?

I am sorry for the big-sized images, I will remove them as soon as they are identified, or try to replace with thumb-sized ones.
Alessandra - Garden Director- Giardini La Mortella, Ischia, zone 9-10

*

oron peri

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
    • http://www.greentours.co.uk/Leader/Oron-Peri/
    • Email
Re: Unidentified tree
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2013, 01:35:14 PM »
Alessandra,
At a first look by the shape of the tree it seems like a Phytolacca but i'll look at it more carfully when i have more time, [the leaves are too Camelia like and seems smaller...]
Might be a hybrid between P. diocia and P. weberbauri?


Garden Designer, Bulb man, Botanical tours guide.
Living and gardening in Tivon, Lower Galilee region, North Israel.
Min temp 5c Max 42c, around 450mm rain.

*

Alevin

  • Jr. Member
    • La Mortella
    • Email
Re: Unidentified tree
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2013, 03:52:28 PM »
I thought of a Phytolacca as well, but I am not familiar with P. weberbauri, and dioica flowers are really different.
Alessandra - Garden Director- Giardini La Mortella, Ischia, zone 9-10

*

Alisdair

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
Re: Unidentified tree
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2013, 06:12:00 PM »
Aren't the individual flowers and fruits of both P. dioica and P. weberbaueri (and indeed other Phytolaccas) too long-stalked?
Alisdair Aird
Gardens in SE England (Sussex); also coastal Southern Greece, and (in a very small way) South West France; MGS member (and former president); vice chairman RHS Lily Group, past chairman Cyclamen Society

*

oron peri

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
    • http://www.greentours.co.uk/Leader/Oron-Peri/
    • Email
Re: Unidentified tree
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2013, 10:19:19 PM »
Looking at it more carefully it is evident that the fruits are very young and quite dry as well as the flowers.
I think it might be an old specimen!! of one of the early cultivars of Prunus laurocerasus :-\
Che ne dici
« Last Edit: February 11, 2013, 09:52:21 AM by Alisdair »
Garden Designer, Bulb man, Botanical tours guide.
Living and gardening in Tivon, Lower Galilee region, North Israel.
Min temp 5c Max 42c, around 450mm rain.

*

Alevin

  • Jr. Member
    • La Mortella
    • Email
Re: Unidentified tree
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2013, 06:51:22 PM »
Oh, well, I have been spinning around these kind of ideas for a while now, but do not seem to find the correct inspiration. I thought of the Moraceae, because the leaves do look so much like those of  Ficus benjamina - but then the flowers and fruit arranged in spikes  don't fit.
Prunus laurocerasus was also an option, but the  leaves do seem quite different to me.
 :( How odd, normally I hit a solution - but this time the name is really elusive.
Well anyhow thanks for your help - I will keep researching.
Alessandra - Garden Director- Giardini La Mortella, Ischia, zone 9-10

*

Alisdair

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
Re: Unidentified tree
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2013, 08:01:55 PM »
Have you tried Guido Piacenza? He might even have seen that particular tree himself, as it can't be that far from his wonderful Parco Burcina.
Alisdair Aird
Gardens in SE England (Sussex); also coastal Southern Greece, and (in a very small way) South West France; MGS member (and former president); vice chairman RHS Lily Group, past chairman Cyclamen Society