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Gardening in mediterranean climates => Wildlife in the garden (birds, butterflies, and how to attract them) => Topic started by: Bolanthus on July 08, 2012, 01:17:00 PM

Title: Some butterflies from Hymettus , Mount Dirfis and elsewhere
Post by: Bolanthus on July 08, 2012, 01:17:00 PM
The plant: Valeriana italica (syn V. dioscoridis) the butterfly: Zerynthia polyxena
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NGS434ynwK8/T8IwpkuquhI/AAAAAAAAACA/sGANNEHAxYA/s512/P4260141.JPG)

The plant: red valerian (Centranthus ruber),  the butterfly: Papilio alexanor. I think that red valerians are great attractors for butterflies (these beautiful plants have also a prolonged flowering period on the mountain)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-66SXd62qJ-M/T8NlAmPRUxI/AAAAAAAAAFM/iClUUERzLgU/s512/P5100072.JPG)

Again a red valerian visited this time by a balkan marbled white
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-U-P2UR0E3w4/T_GHg3wuDhI/AAAAAAAAA2o/UsEDwtDbttg/s640/P6250045.JPG)

I have seen lots of small butterflies on  bloomed Anthyllis hermanniae
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-hrrPqFF0Q8s/T8eiuCo-WoI/AAAAAAAAAKA/0Mvp0JXDa7o/s512/P5310052.JPG)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0Pz29DoGMP4/T8ej0C-PPmI/AAAAAAAAAKM/0AXsybLWD5c/s512/P5310054.JPG)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-FK8ANkb6wUI/T8ek2gpE8bI/AAAAAAAAAKU/kFONOoVVUKA/s512/P5310051.JPG)

And this one was resting on a nearby Dorycnium hirsutum
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-UMrfUF9zygE/T8eltqoIJGI/AAAAAAAAAKc/AKHTWD4vW8o/s512/P5310055.JPG)

 Scabiosa maritima also attracts butterflies
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-JpnWWJu118s/T8e_WHpdqmI/AAAAAAAAAM4/AMzhS2PwYrk/s512/P5310043.JPG)


And so does Cistus creticus ! (photographed on mount Dirfis)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-GVox7nZUscA/T845IojXpnI/AAAAAAAAAXA/qsux6oJMM6U/s512/P6040041.JPG)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-fHlRwCxvFCQ/T845taHL1cI/AAAAAAAAAXM/ddpoqBaLxw0/s512/P6040040.JPG)
The last butterfly that I happen to know is Iphiclides podalirius
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: MikeHardman on July 08, 2012, 02:30:34 PM
Bolanthus - gorgeous!
Beautiful subjects, so nicely captured. I enjoyed looking at them.
I wish my valerians would do better; perhaps would help if I planted them out (languishing in pots)!
And 'lots of' butterflies on Anthyllis hermanniae! I am tempted to try to get some of that.
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: ritamax on July 08, 2012, 08:32:45 PM
So beautiful those butterflies! I wish I could attract so many to my garden! I see some on my blooming ivy hedge. Buddleja davidii is a butterfly plant, but an invasive one (in both Spain and Switzerland, where I garden). Have to find out more about butterfly plants!
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: Bolanthus on July 08, 2012, 09:18:16 PM
Thanks  :D
A few hours ago I was again on Hymettus and to my surprise there was a multitude of butterflies on Cephalaria ambrosioides, an impressive plant of the Scabious family that I think is worth trying in gardens. It is typically 1.50-1.70m tall and occasionally over 1.90m!  -for more pictures of this plant you can see by clicking here http://rosa-sempervirens.blogspot.gr/2012/06/cephalaria-ambrosioides.html (http://rosa-sempervirens.blogspot.gr/2012/06/cephalaria-ambrosioides.html))

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ye5JHZYCFYo/T_niwfQrc9I/AAAAAAAAA6I/sNKpTTHEabI/s640/P7080111.JPG)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iL_3W8VG0G8/T_nkZClw94I/AAAAAAAAA6Y/t6YT-oYC3H8/s640/P7080115.JPG)
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: oron peri on July 08, 2012, 09:49:28 PM
Fantastic thread Bolanthus, wonderful species.
Not from Mt. Dirfis, but from Mt. Meron in the upper Galilee, this morning while looking for an Allium i have maneged to take a photo of Limenities reducta. The caterpilers are fed on Lonicera etrusca.
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: ritamax on July 08, 2012, 10:03:41 PM
Thanks Bolanthus and Oron! Never seen those before!
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: HansA on July 08, 2012, 10:11:33 PM
Some fascinating butterflies Bolanthus and Oron!
Never have seen Papilio alexanor - here in the western part of the mediterranean the similar Papilio machaon is common - as this one I saw in the garden yesterday.
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: Bolanthus on July 08, 2012, 11:48:32 PM
oh, my pleasure to shoot and share those photos  :)

And Oron, what a coincidence... I also found some L. reducta on mt Hymettus today  and tried to shoot -unsuccessfully- a decent photo. They wouldn't stay still on Corydothymus capitatus, the plant that I, the bees, and -as it seems- L. reducta also love!
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-zeK6MRrM8Zg/T_oK7TdwE4I/AAAAAAAAA6s/hTfiA9gnFY0/s512/P7080040.JPG)
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: Umbrian on July 09, 2012, 05:34:08 AM
Wonderful photographs Bolanthus - thank you.  :) My efforts to photograph the many butterflies I get in the garden end up as blurs :(
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: MikeHardman on July 09, 2012, 07:31:39 AM
Oh, come on, guys, please ... you're making me salivate with all these lovely photos of lovely butterflies and moths!

Re your Cephalaria ambrosioides photo, Bolanthus: the English name for Euplagia quadripunctaria is Jersey tiger moth.

Re Papilio machaon, the 'ordinary' swallowtail. I'd be interested to hear about observations of any unusual behaviour, especially from Cyprus members, as I am compiling information for an article for the Cyprus Butterfly Study Group. For instance across much of its range, it uses fennel as its larval food plant, but in my area it uses Crithmum maritimum (rock samphire) (see photos).
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: John J on July 09, 2012, 08:14:00 AM
Mike, as I have already posted the swallowtails in my area always make a 'bee-line' (sorry) for the Crithmum. I have never found their caterpillers on any other plant, although when we move them to the parsley (it's going over by then and they can clear up the older foliage) they seem to survive. We grow Florence fennel but I've never found any evidence of preference for that, it's always the Crithmum that they go for.
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: oron peri on July 09, 2012, 09:27:56 AM
Mike,

In this part of the Mediterranean Papilio machon is fed on Foeniculum vulgare leaves in the early seoson, then mainly on Ruta graveolens, as foeniculum leaves dry out in summer.
This is why i grow few plants of Ruta in my garden, as douznes of buterflies are born here each year.
Ruta is also grown here againts the evill eye... you can never know.... :-[
By the way the caterpiler in your photo is still young, it still poses the 'thorny' hairs on its back.
Mature caterpilers do not have it.
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: MikeHardman on July 09, 2012, 12:16:46 PM
Oron - good stuff - thank you
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: Bolanthus on July 10, 2012, 01:32:28 PM
Oh, come on, guys, please ... you're making me salivate with all these lovely photos of lovely butterflies and moths!

Re your Cephalaria ambrosioides photo, Bolanthus: the English name for Euplagia quadripunctaria is Jersey tiger moth.

Thank you MikeHardman for the correction, they are indeed moths and not butterflies -though fairly diurnal as it seems :)
It is the same species that covers the tree trunks in the valley of the butterflies in Rhodes every summer. (I guess you knew that :)
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: MikeHardman on July 10, 2012, 04:25:59 PM
Bolanthus - valley of the butterflies - no I didn't know that - thank you,
but I've Googled it now; interesting;
good to talk!
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: Alice on July 11, 2012, 05:57:37 PM
Bolanthus, Jersey Tiger moths (Euplagia quadripunctaria) are also those seen in the valley of butterflies on Paros. A few have escaped and taken up residence in our garden, a few kilometres down the road. I didn't know they could also be found on Mt Hymettus - in its shadier/cooler corners perhaps(?)
Oron, our swallowtails also feed on Foeniculum vulgare and Ruta graveolens (Rue) - no tasty Crithmum for them.
For a few days in October almost two years ago our Tamarisks were covered in clouds of Painted Ladies (Vanessa cardui).
Below are some photos of "our" butterflies/moths:
Painted Lady (Vanessa cardui) on autumn-flowering Tamarisk
Scarce Swallowtail (Iphiclides podalirius) on Lantana camara
Southern Gatekeeper (Pyronia tithonus) on Lavandula
Red Admiral (Vanessa atalanta) on Lantana camara
Hummingbird Hawkmoth (Macroglossum stellatarum) on Lantana camara
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: MikeHardman on July 11, 2012, 08:57:29 PM
Alice,
More nice piccies; we are so lucky to have these wondrous creatures as mobile decorations to our gardens; and companions as we garden.
Thanks for your observation re swallowtails.

Just a thought: is your Pyronia tithonus actually Maniola halicarnassus ?
(http://www.adameros.org/contents/icerik/Tumb/336_293_866420_23052011123919.jpg)
That image comes from http://www.adameros.org/IcerikDetay.asp?IcerikKatId=3&TurId=293; it is at the bottom-right of that page, where a little info can be seen in the caption.

It would be nice if you have it on Paros, as it seems it is 'Known only from Nissyros and the adjacent Turkish coast'
(http://users.auth.gr/~efthymia/Butterflies/halicarnassus.html). I note Paros is about 185km west of Nissyros.
Thomson identified it as a new species in SW Turkey only in 1990 - relatively recently.

Maniola chia is also a possibility (restricted to the Greek island of Chios and Oinousses according to recent records, I know); Chios is NE of Paros. Example photo: http://www.theinsectcollector.com/acatalog/info_3948.html

There's a useful paper on these and close relatives, including specimen photos and distribution maps - http://dpc.uba.uva.nl/ctz/vol73/nr04/art05.

I am suspicious of Pyronia because, with both the Greek species, Pp. tithonus and cecilia, the base colour of the forewing upperside is more plain - whereas yours has more patterning, especially towards the base.
http://users.auth.gr/~efthymia/Butterflies/tithonus_cecilia.html
(from the provisional species list at http://users.auth.gr/~efthymia/Butterflies/Butterflies_of_Greece.html).
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: Bolanthus on July 12, 2012, 12:07:28 AM
Bolanthus, Jersey Tiger moths (Euplagia quadripunctaria) are also those seen in the valley of butterflies on Paros. A few have escaped and taken up residence in our garden, a few kilometres down the road. I didn't know they could also be found on Mt Hymettus - in its shadier/cooler corners perhaps(?)

Yes Alice, a common species on Hymettus and I don’t think they care for the shade or the cooler corners -at least when they are feeding on C. abrosioides! I have read that the famous "butterflies" of Rhodes (a distinct subspecies) have no stomach and rely on energy resources from the previous stage, but those ones on Hymettus must have one!

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-XHmDT39i8hY/T_4D59L0BbI/AAAAAAAAA8E/-JwyvYNiE1Q/s576/ceph.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-NyamVASKYvE/T_4D55s_EQI/AAAAAAAAA8I/EcDY473q33g/s576/cepha.jpg)
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: Alice on July 12, 2012, 12:31:59 AM
Mike, thank you so much for all the information. It would be really exciting if a Maniola species had made it all the way from Nissyros, the Turkish coast or even Chios.
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: Alice on July 12, 2012, 01:17:06 AM
Bolanthus, your Euplagia quadripunctaria are positively on a feeding frenzy! If the famous ones from the valleys of the butterflies are a distinct subspecies without a stomach, that would explain why I have never seen them feeding but only resting in the shade of oleanders or Aptenia cordifolia.
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: Fleur Pavlidis on July 12, 2012, 10:37:41 AM
Yes, we visited the Jersey Tiger moths on Paros last year and they were all sitting still in patterns as if choreographed. I'm happy you included a photo of a Hummingbird Hawkmoth, Alice, first so that I now know its name, and second because I always smile when I see one.
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus and mount Dirfis
Post by: MikeHardman on July 12, 2012, 04:07:48 PM
re hummingbird hawk moths (hhm)...

I can't complain too much about the assortment of wildlife we have here in Cyprus, but if I could have two wishes for additions to the fauna, they'd be: fireflies and hummingbirds; we have none of those. In lieu of hummingbirds, the hhms make a good stand-in. They may not argue like hummingbirds, but they are great little characters.

I know little creatures 'live' faster than us (faster heartbeats, quicker reactions, etc.), but I'm still impressed when I watch a hhm feeding at (eg.) Lantana flowers. They flit from floret to floret, perhaps on different inflorescences, with unerring targetting and great rapidity. One is forced to think that while they are feeding from one floret, they are planning which one to flit to next, or maybe a couple of moves ahead - like a chess player. And in such planning, do they know their patch well enough that they don't need to see the next flower before arriving there? Or while feeding at one flower, are they able to avert their imaging mentally (they can't swivel their eyes but they can turn their head a little) to assess adjacent flowers/florets? If only we could ask them, and have them answer!

BTW, I think hhm is a good abbreviation, because it is somewhat reminiscent of the sound of their wings :)
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus , Mount Dirfis and elsewhere
Post by: Alisdair on July 12, 2012, 06:53:04 PM
I hope someone can tell me which salvia this is, that we saw last autumn being enjoyed by a humming-bird hawk moth in a private garden on Mallorca.
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus , Mount Dirfis and elsewhere
Post by: oron peri on July 12, 2012, 07:22:06 PM
 Alisdair
Looks like Salvia involucrata 'Hadspens'
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus , Mount Dirfis and elsewhere
Post by: Alisdair on July 13, 2012, 08:12:28 AM
Thanks for that, Oron!
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus , Mount Dirfis and elsewhere
Post by: John J on July 15, 2012, 09:11:19 AM
Mike, having said previously that I have never seen swallowtails showing any preference for our fennel this morning I spotted one flitting around a patch of rather sparse, dry foliage. A closer look showed this little guy. He may be in for a hard time finding enough to eat as the fennel foliage at this time of year is very dry and hardly nutritious, as Oron pointed out in an earlier posting. I'll watch his progress with interest.
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus , Mount Dirfis and elsewhere
Post by: MikeHardman on July 15, 2012, 11:36:54 AM
That's good, John. Yes, I hope he makes it.

Today I noticed a sardinian warbler on our Crithmum. He soon found a tiny swallowtail caterpillar, and eat it (after a bit of flicking it around). A juvenile sparrow watched him, then went searching himself, though I didn't see him find any. Despite their spines when young and bright colouration later, the caterpillars are obviously not free from predators.
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus , Mount Dirfis and elsewhere
Post by: John J on August 05, 2012, 08:13:26 AM
I found this young chap this morning on a pot of rather dessicated mint. I believe he was newly emerged and drying his wings.
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus , Mount Dirfis and elsewhere
Post by: MikeHardman on August 05, 2012, 08:57:39 AM
Isn't he lovely! Nice find, John.
Title: Re: Swallowtails and fennel
Post by: Alisdair on August 08, 2012, 10:33:37 AM
In this part of the Mediterranean Papilio machon is fed on Foeniculum vulgare leaves in the early seoson, then mainly on Ruta graveolens, as foeniculum leaves dry out in summer.
... having said previously that I have never seen swallowtails showing any preference for our fennel this morning I spotted one flitting around a patch of rather sparse, dry foliage. A closer look showed this little guy. He may be in for a hard time finding enough to eat as the fennel foliage at this time of year is very dry and hardly nutritious, as Oron pointed out in an earlier posting. I'll watch his progress with interest.
The current edition of Pacific Horticulture includes a note that though most caterpillars thrive on native plants, in California the caterpillar of the anise swallowtail Papilio zelicaon is often found on Mediterranean fennel - a common weed there. Butterfly lovers united to fight a proposal to eliminare fennel from San Francisco on the grounds that it had become such a valuable food resource for the local swallowtail.
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus , Mount Dirfis and elsewhere
Post by: John J on June 14, 2014, 09:56:25 AM
The swallowtails are back, found this chap on a fennel this morning.
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus , Mount Dirfis and elsewhere
Post by: MikeHardman on June 14, 2014, 10:33:17 AM
T'rific John,
Keep an eye out for the pupa(e); I have yet to see one of those.
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus , Mount Dirfis and elsewhere
Post by: John J on June 16, 2014, 06:15:49 AM
In past years Swallowtails have shown a preference for Crithmum as a host plant but this year I haven't found one on my plants so far. Instead they seem to have gone for the fennel.
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus , Mount Dirfis and elsewhere
Post by: MikeHardman on June 16, 2014, 06:54:54 AM
I haven't seen any caterpillars on Crithmum this year, but I have seen a female ovipositing on the plant...
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus , Mount Dirfis and elsewhere
Post by: John J on October 04, 2019, 06:39:10 AM
I haven't seen many Swallowtail caterpillars on the Crithmum this year but spotted this one today.
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus , Mount Dirfis and elsewhere
Post by: MikeHardman on October 04, 2019, 07:50:11 AM
... in contrast, I have seen more.
But maybe because I was looking closely. I needed to shear a run of about 3m along the dry stone wall. So I hunted for the little caterpillars, to move them to a different patch of Crithmum. I found 15.
Title: Re: Some butterflies from Hymettus , Mount Dirfis and elsewhere
Post by: John J on October 04, 2019, 08:18:06 AM
Good to hear, Mike. We've had very few Swallowtails in evidence this year in our area.