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Plants for mediterranean gardens => Trees and Shrubs => Topic started by: Daisy on December 28, 2011, 08:21:10 AM
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I wanted to put this on Umbrian's out of season plants thread.
But then I realised, I was thinking with my English hat on, and as all the village roses also seem to be blooming now, mine cannot be out of season.
I have not yet been gardening long enough in the Mediterranean, to know what is out of season or not! ::)
Anyway here is Buff Beauty yesterday.
Daisy :)
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Quite agree Daisy it is often easy to think with one's English hat on without always realising, I still do it at times after nearly 14 years gardening in Umbria! On odd occasions I would have a rose out on Christmas Day even in England depending on the weather of course. This year in Umbria, where we have enjoyed a very mild autumn/early winter, my rosa mutabalis gave a wonderful show until halted in its tracks by almost gale force winds and driving rain in mid December. If it had not been for this storm my list of flowers would have been much longer with many things hanging on much longer than normal but what interested me was the way the poppy for example had germinated and flowered as if it was spring which is their season. Also a friend of mine scattered some coriander seeds after the plants had, as usual bolted into seed as soon as the temperatures soared. These germinated in early autumn and until the recent frosts were rewarding her with abundant fresh leaves due to the milder than normal conditions. :)
Love the Buff Beauty planted in the terracotta pot :) :)
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Excellent idea of yours to start a thread on roses here, Daisy: thanks very much!
In our Greek garden we decided originally not to plant any shrub roses because we do think of them as so English, but of course that's nonsense, as they are such staples of Greek and other Mediterranean gardens - and all our Greek neighbours, who have spectacular ones, immediately asked why we weren't planting any!
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Alisdair, May I suggest, that for the dry part of your garden, you may like to try Tea roses.
These roses, once established, need no watering at all.
They have been found thriving in many abandoned gardens, in mediterranean climates worldwide.
They flower all through the autumn, winter, spring and early summer.
When watered, they flower year round and are evergreen.
Here are mine.
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Papa Gontier.
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Duchess de Brabant.
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Climbing Devoniensis. This one, in my garden, sometimes has powdery mildew.
However, it is only one year old, I am hoping it will grow out of it.
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Archduke Joseph. Unusually, for a Tea rose, this one does not like full sun in summer.
I have planted mine, under the shade of an apricot tree, where it only gets sunshine for the last half hour of the day.
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Sombreuil. In the evening sun, over an arbour.
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Marechal Niel.
I would have more tea roses, as they like it so much here. The only reason I do not, is because, with the exception of Sombreiul which is very free with it's perfume,, my nose cannot smell the tea rose scent.
Other people tell me that they have a lovely perfume, but my nose can only catch it a little, at an optimum time.
Daisy :)
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Your tea roses are lovely!
We still rather resist the idea of roses in our Greek garden on the slightly perverse grounds that they are just too beautiful for the semi-wild dry part, though we have planted one or two climbers. But we have put in some tea roses in our garden in SW France, where they do well despite hot summer droughts, especially a Climbing Lady Hillingdon. I'm very fond of them. We do have one or two here in Sussex, as well - we picked a bunch of roses for the table on Christmas Day which included General Schablikine, alongside other strongly scented ones such as the bourbon Reine Victoria.
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Didn't she do well?!
Nice going Daisy
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There are zillions of them but I can mention a few that are exceptionally resistant to heat
Just Joey
Altissimo
Mirato
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I am having difficulty, finding a deep red rose that can take the hot sun here.
I am very fussy I'm afraid. ::) ::) ::)
It must be full and opulent.
It must grow gracefully, (not like most hybrid teas) ;)
It must flower for a long time and it must absolutely knock my socks off with it's perfume. ;D ;D ;D
I have already tried Francis Dubreuil/Barcelona, but it's petals just burnt in the sun as soon as they opened.
I also have William Shakespeare 2000 planted mainly in the shade of an apricot tree.
The blooms in the shade of the tree are fine, but the blooms that poke out into the sun get burnt.
Has anyone any ideas?
Daisy :)
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William Shakespeare 2000 under the apricot tree, with verbenas, Lychnis coronaria and Rhemannia elata.
My camera doesn't capture the true colour, it has a little deeper hue than this.
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Falstaff from David Austin seems to be OK in full sun, but that is Surrey sun, not Cretan. Otherwise would meet your requirements. So far I haven't dared try roses on Paros, although they are always available in nurseries there. Really must pluck up courage soon. Pics of your plants are super.
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We grew Falstaff in the Languedoc. An excellent deep red rose with huge thorns. It goes-off in hot weather and looses most of its leaves or maybe its the black spot which takes over!
TMG no 42 lists 60 odd roses which Languedoc members recommend growing in the Midi. Many HT`s are mentioned. There is an article by T Nottle about rose growing in Australia and what he recommends.
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Daisy what about 'Oklahoma'. it is doing very well here in very hot and dry conditions and the scent is to die for, plus you can make a Rose Jam from it [not on your list...found you another job ;)].
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Daisy could you should publish your pics of your garden on the "Members` Gardens" page on the MGS website??
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Thank-you all for your ideas. :) :) :)
Jills and David. Falstaff has exactly the sort of blooms I love most!
Luckily, there is no black spot here in Crete. At least, not until the damp weather starts in the winter.
So hopefully it should do well.
I don't have TMG no 42. Is it the answer to life, the universe and everything? I can get a back copy though.
Oron. Oklahoma is a rose I don't know. I have found lots of photos of it on the web and it looks lovely. I even managed to find some photos of the whole bush and it appears to have a good shape, and, has foliage down to the ground.
The colour is hard to tell from the photos. Some of them look a deep wine red and some look more orange. Not that it matters. It just determines where I put it.
Which do you think it is? Or does it vary, dependent on the weather or season?
I have never heard of rose jam. I am the worlds worst cook and have given up trying.
My husband luckily loves cooking, and does all of it. ;D ;D ;D
However, rose jam sounds intriguing. If you post the recipe I will have to try it ;D ;D ;D
David. Last autumn, the paving and steps were finally finished. So, this coming season, barring any disasters, the garden should look more presentable.
I will take some more photos and see how they turn out.
The members garden on the main site, is a good idea.
Is your's there? There are some lovely gardens shown in the Languedoc. Is your's one of them?
I have also recently been admiring Umbrian's garden on that page.
Also Michel Gautier's garden, which I have been visiting via his link, I would love to see there.
Daisy :)
For those who never read the book, heard the radio programme, or watched the television series,
No. 42 was the answer to life, the universe and everything, in Douglas Adam's The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.
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Oklahoma sounds like a very good rose, I'll be looking for that. I see that it shares the same parents a 'Mister Lincoln' and 'Papa Meilland' roses, and it's the darkest red of the three red roses (not orange), and with repeat-flowering blooms and strong rose fragrance, it sounds ideal.
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I have only a few roses in Halkidiki, and few photos, but I like this one. It was taken several years ago.
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Yes, a garden in Uzes. It was only 2 years old when the pics were taken. The amount of growth is nevertheless amazing.
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A lot of roses stop flowering, or the blooms diminish in size during the heat of the summer.
I have a small garden, so I only grow a few roses. Of those, the ones which seem to be unaffected by the heat are;
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Abraham Darby. No difference in the size of the flower at all.
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Teasing Georgia. This rose never takes a break in the summer.
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Blush Noisette. Always producing fresh panicles of blooms.
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Perdita. Another rose that always looks fresh.
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William Shakespeare 2000. He is happy, as long as he is in the shade.
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Aimee Vibert. This year she started flowering in May and shows no signs of stopping.
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Marechal Niel. He is not flowering as much as in spring, but a rough count gave me over 50 blooms this week.
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Lady Emma Hamilton. This rose blooms all winter as well as all summer!
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Buff Beauty. Another one that just keeps on producing loads of blooms.
Daisy :)
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Talking of envy, Daisy...! Positively salivating!
Gorgeous!!!
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Wonderful sight, Daisy - I can almost smell them, and you grow them looking so fresh and dewy-looking, so amazingly refreshing considering where you are.
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Which rose supplier(s) do those of you in Greece use?
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Alice. most of my roses have come from Peter Beales in Norfolk.
http://www.classicroses.co.uk/
The remainder are from David Austin.
http://www.davidaustinroses.com/
Daisy :)
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I have a few roses in Halkidiki, and to my big surprise they are easy to grow (compared to Norway), and I have had no problems with diseases or pests. They are readily available both at the weekly market and from the local nurseries, but they are seldom named, so buying them is a lottery.
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Alice, All the roses we have taken to SW France, and one of the two we have taken to Greece, also come from Peter Beales, or from cuttings taken from plants originally from there.
At the last three Chelsea shows a Peter Beales rose I have admired hugely, but not yet yielded to the temptation of buying, is the very dark and velvety Souvenir du Docteur Jamain (see my cellphone snapshot below), which has a delicious fragrance. I don't think it's worth even trying in Greece, as it's said to hate even indirect sun and to need a good rich soil - does anyone grow this old hybrid perpetual in a mediterranean climate?
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Alisdair, that one looks like it could go on my envy list. And your cell phone did a pretty good job!
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What a beauty Souvenir du Docteur Jamain is, Alisdair!
Daisy and Alisdair, did you have your roses sent to Greece by Peter Beales/ David Austin? Did they arrive quickly and in a good state?
Here are three roses we bought locally: a bicoloured one (Double Delight?), one that changes colour as the buds open (red/yellow) and a red one. The blooms of all three fare well under fierce sunlight. Unfortunately nurseries here label roses only as "red, scented", "yellow, tall" etc.
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I had two bareroot roses sent to Spain from Peter Beales in March. They arrived in good condition and I planted them immediately. They do say, however that you should not leave them languishing in a post box or post office. You need to be around to collect them. Mine are looking good now and one Rosa brunonii ' La Mortola' has put on excellent growth over the summer. The other R. moschata 'Princesse de Nassau' is a bit slower but is climbing well through a Bouganvillea. I will be getting some more of these ramblers as my R. Félicité et Perpétue has done amazingly well.
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I collected ours from P Beales in containers, either then drove them out to France, or rooted cuttings in UK and bare-rooted to Greece - so not much guidance from me I'm afraid, Pamela!
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All of my roses, have been sent bare root from either Peter Beales or David Austin.
They have all arrived in good condition except one which was replaced by Peter Beales without any quibbles.
Daisy :)
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How long time does it take from ordering until you receive the roses?
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Thanks for sharing your experiences, Pamela, Alisdair, JTh and Daisy.
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Re. Alisdair and rooted cuttings of roses. I had some old idea that roses should be grafted, but I am not sure what advantage the rootstock was supposed to provide. Are any roses grafted these days?
Having said that I am regularly moving bits of Rosa canina around the place and planting in the wild boar tracks. As blackberries don't deter them I don't suppose R.canina will either, but I do love the flower. It is a very different rose from the marvellous flowers you all have been illustrating.
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Jorun, it depends when you order them. They have a window when they send bareroot roses. You should be able to order very soon for delivery in the next months. You will see it on the website of Peter Beales...
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Thank you, Pamela
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Interesting one, Joanna - cuttings vs grafting.
I have read that Tea roses, at least, strike easily from cuttings but a plant would take longer to grow from a cutting, so for economic reasons, roses available commercially are usually grafted.
I would like to know if this applies more generally and what plants definitely need to be grafted.
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I've had success taking cuttings of my David Austen roses to Greece and rooting them there. Once rooted, the rate of growth has been phenomenal and I now have some lovely roses in the garden including Wild Edric, Ispohan, Generous Gardener and Gentle Hermione. I'd love to try Alistir's rose in a very shady spot - it looks beautiful.
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Well I can't call them early roses anymore, as it is mid March. So when I found the first bloom on Abraham Darby this morning, I thought I would put him here.
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He is planted near a wall and faces north west, so he doesn't get much sun in winter.
I couldn't resist taking a photo of Lady Emma Hamilton too. Although she has been blooming all winter.
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Sorry about the wheelbarrow and compost bag in the background. I am working in that area at the moment.
Sandra, if you have photos of your David Austin roses, I would love to see them.
Daisy :)
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I know you have seen my Buff Beauty before, but he is looking so yummy to-day. I had to take a few more photos.
Here he is with forking larkspur. (Thank-you Umbrian)
Daisy :)
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:)Why do nurseries graft roses? Every single growth bud on every twig and stem is a potential new plant with grafted on to an understock. There are a variety of understocks that are each adapted to different soil conditions particularly very sandy soils and very alkaline soils. A rose cutting with a dozen growth bud produces only one plant on its own roots which 'wastes' potential grafted plants so they seem un-economical to nurserymen. there are other 'reasons' putatively to do with plant health and vigour but I find them less convincing except in the case of some really weak fancy kinds such as 'Prince Camille de Rohan'.
Roses to deter boars: something with massive armaments such as Rosa bracteata or 'Mermaid' might put them off as they rip flesh instead of scratching it and breaking off. Well, at least they used to rip mine until I got rid of them - but tho' male I am neither boar nor bore, I hope.
tn
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You really are a whizz with plants Daisy and I am glad you like the Forking Larkspur. I am going to post some 'photos of two roses I have inherited in my new garden. They are both highly perfumed and I would like to know their names. Perhaps you can help? or of course any of our experts :)
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Wrote this posting but it did not seem to go - hope I am not repeating myself :)
You really are a whizz with plants Daisy and I am glad you like the Forking Larkspur. I am going to post some 'photos of two roses that I have inherited in my new garden. They are both highly perfumed and I would like to know their names please.
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Whoops, first posting did go after all, Anyway the two 'photos are of the same rose (the Red one) and here, hopefully, is the Pink one ;D When open it has an orangy/yellow tinge in the centre of the petals
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:( Like you John J I have noticed that the Forum is rather quiet at the moment, I suppose everyone is busy with the practical side of gardening in what ,for many of us, is a very busy time of the year. Continuing unsettled weather here in Italy has seen weeds proliferating at an amazing rate as one or two days of sunshine are followed by heavy rain.
I am still hoping that somebody will be able to put a name to the two roses I posted 'photos of the other day and so each morning when I access the Forum is still full of anticipation :)
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Sorry Umbrian, I cannot identify your roses.
They are beauties though.
I am looking forward to seeing some photos of your new garden.
Sorry about the delay in responding. I went to England to visit relatives, but was taken ill and spent most of the time in hospital.
I have only just got back to my garden and my computer!
Daisy :)
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So sorry to hear your time in England was plagued by illness, Daisy; I'm sure the sight of your own wonderful garden will be revitalising you now!
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A big welcome back Daisy - we have missed you and so sorry to hear that you were unwell when in England. Your garden looks as amazing as ever and I hope thoughts of it (not worries at being away for so long) helped to sustain you during your stay in hospital.
Am hoping to get an Italian friend who is an expert on roses to come and look at mine when they are in flower again, at the moment they are resting bit I know they are repeat flowering. Have not done anything in the new garden yet except try to keep the weeds down, our mega wet spring has seen them proliferate both there and here where we are still living and I more than have my work cut out as you can imagine in trying to keep this looking good for prospective buyers!
Hope all is well now and you can enjoy your little bit of paradise in Crete for the rest of the summer :)
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Be aware that David Austin roses are all subject to PVR (plant variety rights) and strictly speaking it in illegal to propagate them without a license from his business. From time to time his reps travel to Australia to audit the propagation of his rose vars. here and people have been prosecuted, and others threatened with it. 'Back-yard' propagators are included. Closer to the UK his 'inspectors' might make more frequent surveys. As I understand things it is not even legal to grow Austin roses from cuttings taken from your own garden to grow in your own garden. Comments anyone?
Trevor raises such an interesting general question in relation to these David Austin roses that I am splitting it off from this topic, and you can now find it in the Miscellaneous section, by clicking here (http://www.mgsforum.org/smf/index.php?topic=1380).
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The New Dawn is now in it's third year and is decorating the apricot tree. Some of it's blooms hang down low enough for me to get my nose to. I love that scent which is exactly like fresh green apples.
Daisy :)
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"Whilst posting this I want to ask you about the rose Marechal Niel that I think you recommended previously. I have the name written in some notes I made when compiling a list of perfumed roses. To recap - a yellow flowered climber? rambler? with good perfume and a healthy grower? I am also looking to plant one deep pink perfumed climber and am leaning towards Mme Isaac Pereire, is there any other that you would recommend above that?" Umbrian.
Carole. In my garden Marechal Niel has a magnificent spring flush when it is pure yellow.
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Afterwards, it has blooms continuously throughout the summer and autumn, with a good sized flush in August when the outer petals are flushed with pink.
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It has a sweet perfume, is completely healthy and is flexible, making it very easy to train.
I grew Mme Isaac Pereire in England and loved it to bits, although it wasn't without it's problems.
It usually had blackspot, although not usually too badly. It wasn't the most graceful shrub, a little angular and awkward. But when it flowered I would have forgiven any fault.
I have been looking for a photo of it in my old garden in Cornwall, but can only find this one where you can just make out a few blooms of Mme Isaac Pereire on the near left of the photo.
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Daisy :)
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Thanks Daisy, have gone off Marachel Niel a bit due to the pink flushing of the later blooms, I really want an intense, pure yellow but I suppose the perfume is of prime importance - any other suggestions?
I have Mme Isaac Periere here and yes, it does suffer a bit from black spot a bit but for me the perfume is wonderful, also the form and colour of the flowers.
By the way, I am Carole, not Melissa (lovely name though ;D)
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Carole. I am SO SO SORRY.
I used to joke that it was middle age brain cell death. These days it is definitely old age brain death.
Melissa gardens in the Piacenza hills, and although I knew you are Carole, for some reason my brain made me write Melissa instead.
Daisy :)
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No problem Daisy, we are all getting in the same boat I fear :( but I thought I would just set the record straight ;D - while I still remember who I am!
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David Austin Rose 'Graham Thomas' has been the most popular yellow (though I prefer 'Yellow Charles Austin' for its scent) and puts up with a bit of shade in this bed,
cheers
fermi
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Another DAR we have is 'The Pilgrim' which is a soft lemony yellow,
cheers
fermi
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Fermi, lovely roses. I used to grow both of those in England.
I think my favourite was The Pilgrim. I loved it's scent and it's free flowering habit.
Do you have more roses you can show us?
Daisy :)
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Yes, Daisy - you can almost smell The Pilgrim, in Fermi's lovely photo!
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I love the new leaves on Lady Emma Hamilton.
They are a mixture of burgundy, green and purple.
To me they look scrumptious. Almost good enough to eat.
Daisy
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Does anyone have any experience of growing Roseraie de l'Hay as a hedging rose in a Med climate? A friend of mine is keen to plant one but I am a little dubious. Or, any other thoughts for a hedging rose? It is for a windy site at 400m altitude so winter cold down to -10°C and summer highs around 32°C Thank you for any thoughts.
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'Rosierie de l'Hay is in my experience a tall, lanky character which makes hedging it a bit of a challenge. You could try it like a laid hedge by intertwining the longest canes and see what happens. I expect flowering would begin to slacken off after 4-5 yrs and the hedge would have to be cut and laid again. 'Rose a' Parfum de l'Hay' is somewhat more compact and might be worth a try tho' it's flowers are neither so dark, nor so deliciously scented, as in the case of 'Rosierie de l'Hay'.
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Gill, I have no experience of Roseraie de l'Hay in a med climate, but we planted a hedge of it here in our (warm for UK) garden in Sussex. On the whole we found it a good hedging plant, reasonably compact, BUT it proved unable to survive the fierce competition from a close parallel hazel hedge, with most of the plants gradually dying in dry summers. (We were surprised as we've found other rugosas entirely capable of surviving hot dry summers in thin soil in our garden in SW France.)
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This is a fragrant remontant rose which was in the garden when we got here so we don't have a name for it. It reminds me of 'Constance Spry' but that onloy flowers in spring (I think). It has "old rose" fragrance,
cheers
fermi
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Thorns? Manner of growth - upright, sprawling? Once flowering? Repeat flowering? Two flowering seasons? It looks like LA REINE but more detail is needed for a more positive ID.
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Perhaps 'Reine Victoria'?
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It seems that we have had heat waves one after another here.
It is too hot to do anything. No deadheading, no weeding, no trimming back. Just sweeping the paths is too much at present.
All I am doing in the garden now, is the fortnightly watering and mealy bug squishing.
I did get out with the camera once or twice. The roses don't seem to mind the heat at all.
Here are a few August blooms.
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Unknown HT from the local market.
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The New Dawn in the apricot tree.
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Munstead Wood
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Perdita
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A faded bloom of William Shakespeare 2000
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Teasing Georgia
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Madam Alfred Carriere high up in the black plum tree.
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Unknown rose.
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Gruss an Aachen, with powdery mildew.
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unknown rose
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Buff Beauty
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Durance Ancian Rosa
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Aimee Vibert
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Unknown rose
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Colombian Climber
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Marechal Niel
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Blush Noisette
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Lady Emma Hamilton
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Golden Celebration
Daisy :)
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Daisy what a beautiful array of roses!!
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While the northern hemisphere is starting to shiver, things are warming up downunder! We have had a wetter spring than usual, with the result that the roses at the end of the vine rows are flowering their hearts out. This is "Iceberg" at the top of the number two vineyard. The bushes are never watered or fertilised; they get a light prune in winter and the odd bit of fungicide drift when the vines are sprayed. They're tough!
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Wow! What a wonderful picture - the choice of Iceberg roses was inspired as they do not detract from the natural beauty you have around you - anything brighter would have spoiled that but Iceberg really puts the "Icing on the cake" :)
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Daisy - Aug 14 092 pic might be LA FRANCE or TRIOMPH de la EXHIBITION (I'll need to check that one and the spelling too.) t
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Let's try that again - TRIUMPHE de la EXPOSITION
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Thanks Trevor, but my rose doesn't look like Triomphe de l'Exposition on Help me Find. My rose is definitely pink, not carmine. It has clusters of small roses, which have a very strong perfume.
Caroline, I agree with Umbrian. That row of Iceberg, looks really good there.
Daisy :)
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Trevor, it turns out that the pink, cluster flowered rose in my photos is Durance Ancian Rosa, (Masduran). It was bred by Dominique Massad. Here it is on HMF. http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.61640.1
It certainly has a powerful, sweet perfume.
Daisy :)
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Before my mum died last year, a friend of hers grew some roses from cuttings from her garden.
My sister-in-law distributed some of the plants amongst the family at Christmas and I received one that looks like 'Cecile Brunner' and another that is pale salmon-pink in bud and opens to a single "off-white" flower about 3" across.
I'd like to think that it's identifiable and may possibly be an Alister Clark raising.
Any help would be appreciated,
cheers
fermi
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That is a lovely rose Fermi. It does look familiar, but I cannot place it.
It might be an idea to also post the photos on the Antique Rose Forum on the Gardenweb http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/rosesant/ There are a lot of knowledgeable people on there.
Daisy :)
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Fermi can you give any further information, esp about the size of the thing when mature. Take a good look at the sexual bits and note the pistil. Is it long an exerted - poking out noticeably? What about the stamens; are they spreading and open leaving the pistil exposed and the undeveloped capsule plainly visible. It looks like it could be a Rosa gigantea hybrid. This is a member of the Synstylae group of roses which relates to the identifying features I have asked about. If it is a Gigantea it could well be an Alister Clark hybrid; in which case I'll be able to suggest the name for you.
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Hi Fermi, your mother's rose is almost certainly MRS RICHARD TURNBULL (Alister Clark, 1945) Emily Isobel were her given names. Her husband owned TAMBO Station about 700 km from Brisbane but also had town mansions in Sydney (REDLEAF, Double Bay) and Melbourne (demolished, Toorak). They were well known race-horse owners and breeders. He was Chairman of Victorian Racing Club for a very long term and also chairman of Flemington racing Club. She died in 1948. Her two sons both killed in WW 2. Her daughter married in England. The rose is Rosa gigantea x unknown.
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Thanks, Trevor,
appropriate that they were race-horse owners as my brother is the doctor for the Kilmore Races - I'll let my sister-in-law know.
I'll have to find an appropriate place for the rose now,
cheers
fermi
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Fermi, I hope you have a BIG garden with a BIG tree for the rose to grow on. I knew one MRS R TURNBULL growing at Badger's Keep nr Chewton that topped a very old and tall Robinia (False Acacia) tree. It was huge but looked amazing when covered in thousands of creamy white 'butterflies'.
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I have a few roses I would very much like to identify, they were bought several years ago at the local market, unlabelled, of course. I'll start with a peach/orange one, the flowers are fairly large, quite filled, the scent is slightly spicy, pleasant, but not very strong. It is now about 1 m tall, flowering all through the summer season.
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Have come across a video that some may find helpful called 'Roses for Mediterranean Gardens' an illustrated talk by Charles Quest-Ritson. If you highlight the undernoted link and right click then go to 'search web search' it should come up.
Roy
https://vimeo.com/127836157
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That is a lovely rose Jorun. I am sorry, I cannot help with identification. Have you tried Help me Find? http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/roses.php?tab=5
Here are a few photos of my roses this spring. My husband took the photos, as I am still mainly confined to the house.
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This is Pat Austin. Definitely not a rose for a mediterranean climate It's petals fry in the sun. I keep it because it beguiles me with it's opulence and it's perfume of warm, ripe, mangoes. When the temperature rises, I give it my large garden sunshade to bloom under. That is enough to keep the blooms looking gorgeous.
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This is Sombreuil. I have grown Sombreuil in every garden I have ever had since my first. I cannot imagine life without it. It loves the sun and it's blooms are as beautiful in a heat wave as the first ones are in the chill of early spring. It's perfume is strong and heady.
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This is the china rose Archduke Charles. It's perfume is light, but it deserves it's space as it blooms in flushes all year round. Even in the depths of winter, it is not mean. It's flushes are full flushes. Lovely to see in the middle of January.
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Golden Celebration under the loquat tree.
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Munstead Wood in a pot that will be moved as soon as I am able bodied again. It looks awful there.
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Teasing Georgia above and Lady Emma Hamilton below. Two more roses that are full of perfume and bloom all spring, summer and autumn. Lady Emma blooms in winter too.
Daisy :)
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Daisy, thank you for the beautiful photographs of your roses. They make me dream of far pavilions. We have seen some glorious roses this Spring while visiting villages at the foothills of the Troodos mountains. Our Rosa damascena flowered twice this year. The winter rains benefitted all the flowers but I think the roses benefitted more. Our roses are already over except one orange coloured , name ?, that is protected by the shade of the jacaranda tree. I am waiting for the Pierre de Ronsard( Eden )rose to flower. It was sent to me by my friend from London last December.
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Have come across a video that some may find helpful called 'Roses for Mediterranean Gardens' an illustrated talk by Charles Quest-Ritson. If you highlight the undernoted link and right click then go to 'search web search' it should come up.
Roy
https://vimeo.com/127836157
Thank you, Roy, I'll try this when I'm back in Greece again and can fill in all the details. With just the colour, there are too many possible options.
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Hello, I just have found out the name of the lovely orange rose that has been flowering continuously in our garden, since early Spring. The colour does not fade like the other roses. It is Poulsen's Paramount Rose ,Flora Danica, and it originated from Northern Greece, Avramis roses.
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Thank-you Charithea. I envy you your Eden rose. Once it starts blooming, it won't stop all season long. It does well in a warm climate too, which is just what is needed.
I looked up your orange rose on http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.24781.1, lovely and it has a perfume, which isn't that common with orange roses.
Here are a couple more of my husbands photos.
Buff Beauty
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Sombreuil on the right, Madam Alfred Carriere on the left.
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Gruss an Aachen in the foreground, Abraham Darby and an unknown rose behind.
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Daisy :)
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Daisy, Thanks so much for your rose photos. I find the sight of those lush and beautiful old roses growing and blooming so richly under your fierce Cretan midsummer sun almost miraculous!
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Thanks Alisdair. Here is The New Dawn again, in the apricot tree. I love it's scent of green apples.
Daisy :)
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Now that they tell us California may actually get a decent - if not more than decent - winter of El Nino rain, I can begin to think once again about the garden. Can anyone who lives in the US or, better yet, in California, suggest where I can find Rosa "Helen Knight?" I've a pathetic looking Golden Chersonese I'd like to replace and Helen Knight looks like she'd be the perfect one. I've searched a few online nurseries that will ship to California but to no avail. IF anyone has a suggestion for finding Helen Knight or the name of a similar, bright clear yellow shrub rose, I'd be grateful.
Pictures posted here are wonderful. I want them all!
Sylvia Sykora
San Francisoc Bay Area
waiting, waiting for the rain
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Hi Sylvia -here in the vineyard we have "Friesia", which to me is the sort of bright clear yellow you are looking for and grows to a decent size. It's a floribunda, and very tough - gets no watering although it is growing in water-retentive clay.
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Sylvia, I'm sorry to say that although quite a few UK rose nurseries sell Helen Knight, I can't find one that exports to the US. It's so like Golden Chersonese, with similar parentage, that maybe it wouldn't do any better in your garden, if that's any consolation ;).
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Anyone - Daisy? Know the name of this rose? My daughter bought it as a small unnamed plant, heavily reduced in price and has been thrilled with its strong healthy growth and beautiful flowers.
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Sorry Umbrian, I have no idea. It is a pretty rose. Hopefully, someone else can name it.
Daisy :)
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Although it doesn't have a perfume, I could not resist planting Mutabilis two years ago. Here it is last May. It has grown a lot more since then. It has a few flowers on now, but I am dying to see it's full flush this spring.
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Charithea, did your Pierre de Ronsard (Eden) rose flower last summer? Do you have any photos? I would love to see it.
Daisy :)
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Hello Daisy. Thank you for the lovely photographs of the tulips and roses of course. My Rose bush DID not produce any flowers. I suppose I lived in hope for a single rose although I knew that bushes in our garden in our hot climate take at least three years to settle down. It is starting to get some leave buds but I have to be realistic and wait another year al least. The other roses are getting leaves as well and maybe I will get a photo on the forum. My Moschata roses however have produced twice last year and one of them is flowering now. This untidy scrambler took many years before it flowered. The Moschata plena which I acquired from the church nursery flowered the same year!!
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I wanted to share this photo of the first bloom on my Lady Emma Hamilton to open for some weeks. She is so ravishingly lovely -- thank you, Daisy, for your photos, which made me fall in love with her.
One of the nurseries here had a gaggle of David Austin roses, and one Lady Emma was hiding in the middle of it! So glad I spotted her. I also bought an Abraham Darby, who is also very beautiful.
I would love to see photos of Charithea's Pierre de Ronsard when it flowers -- I have just watched Charles Quest-Ritson's talk on Roses for Mediterranean Gardens (here: https://vimeo.com/127836157), which is incredibly helpful, and he raves about Pierre de Ronsard. My online-shopping mouse finger is getting all twitchy!
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I look forward to seeing a picture of Charithea's Pierre de Ronsard too, Pallas! In the meantime, you might be interested in this photo that I took in 2012, showing about one-quarter of the length of a splendid planting of this rose at Aaron Penley and Graham Butler's garden of Willowsporn in the Barossa Valley, in South Australia. We saw the rose growing well in other Australian gardens too, in places exposed to extreme summer heat.
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Yes, thank you very much for posting that, Alistair, what an amazingly beautiful and healthy rose! All those flowers and look at the number of buds!!! Astonishing. It should do well here, so I may take the plunge -- just need to find the space.
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This is a test run as I have updated my iPad. The name of the rose is Gaitee fleurie bought from Avramis nursery in Northen Greece.
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Beautiful, I love the colours and the gently nodding flowers.
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Hello Pallas, I am glad you liked my rose.I am encouraged by my small success in growing roses and bought a few more this year. I am sending two more photos of the same rose taken on two consecutive mornings hence the colour change. My ' Eden rose' Pierre de Ronsardto my surprise, has a bud on it. The actual rose bush is just a long stick with a few leaves. Nothing lush like the beautiful ones one sees in pictures or in the neighbours gardens. I shall photograph it as soon as it opens and post it.
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Hello again, I thought of posting another 3 photos of our roses now, before the lack of rain and hot sun dries them up. Andreanna's parfum is a new acquisition, it is a thorn less Tea rose and has a beautiful perfume. The Golden climber is a three year old. Paid too much for it because I was seduced by the beautiful photo and informative label attached to it. The first two years I was rather mad with the Nursery lady but this year it is flourishing so I might forgive her.
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Lovely roses, Charithea, thank you for posting the pictures. I have found that some plants take about 2 years before they start to do well for me while some never break stride. I hope your roses will go from strength to strength now. I would love to see a photo of 'Pierre de Ronsard' when it opens -- I am almost decided to get one...
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I trained my rose 'Madame Alfred Carrière' in a new way (for me) in January and she seems to be responding very well, so I thought I would share some photos.
I read about how they prune/train roses at Sissinghurst, which involves bending, pegging and training the canes into arches, here:
http://blog.lisacoxdesigns.co.uk/inspiration/visiting-gardens-in-winter-will-help-you-to-learn-about-design/
I bought Madame from Peter Beales as a container rose in spring 2014 (and received some helpful planting advice on this forum): the first photo shows her upon arrival. Last year, she made about 1.5 m of growth and flowered very modestly, maybe 10 blooms?
So this January, I pruned and pegged her according to the 'Sissinghurst method' that I read about -- stupidly, I have lost the photo I took of how she looked then -- but here is a photo of her yesterday with about 15 blooms open and lots of buds! Also, a close-up photo of one of the blooms.
She is clearly relishing the training: there are shoots coming out at all angles from the main arched canes, and so many flowers! I think it is a combination of the training and the fact that she's been in the ground for nearly two years now. She is against a west-facing wall between our house and the neighbours', and receives maybe 4 hours of full, direct sun in the middle of the day (the gap between the houses is only about 8 meters).
I am so chuffed with how well she is doing; it's a delight to toddle out every morning to see the new buds opening (also, alas, white-spotted rose beetles in the newly-opened flowers; I pick them off twice a day).
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I am posting this on behalf of my wife as I took the photo and it's easier to transfer it onto my computer than hers, etc.
The rose came from Avramis Roses in Greece via Floralink garden centre here in Cyprus and is labelled as 'Flora Danica'.
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I (like Colin I believe) love yellow roses so I must remember to order this one next autumn.
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What a memory Fleur, and yes you are quite right. My original yellow rose was bought for Colin from our local market and, as often used to be the case in Italy was just labelled "Yellow Rose". It has grown very big over the years and climbed into a neighbouring tree making it impossible to prune but it repeat flowers throughout the summer and is quite spectacular at times. The new one 'Chris' is also a climber and very strong and healthy with lovely bright foliage. I have trained it to arch over the adjoining path and the stems are full of buds as I write- it came from a Rose nursery in Scotland - Cockers, Aberdeen.
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The mutabilis rose would appear to have gone through a series of name changes of late but it seems we now have to get used to calling it Rosa x odorata 'Mutabilis'. Anyway ours, although still small, has produced a few flowers so far this year.
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As promised by my wife a photo of the first rose to begin opening on the 'stick' she received from Peter Beale Roses that was labelled "Pierre de Ronsard'.
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A photo of my Pierre de Ronsard in its full size. I watched the video Pallas recommended but obviously I have to wait until more branches grow on my 'stick' before I train it. However, I strongly believe that this rose is very suitable for mediterranean climates as the flower lasted for more than a week unlike the others that died as soon as the sun shone on them.
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Thanks for posting the photo: gorgeous rose. I am smitten!
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Something slightly different. A lady here in Cyprus sent me the following photo of one of her roses asking if I had any information about what was happening to it. She says that as some flower buds open they produce not one flower but several within the same single bud.
Any of our rose experts out there have any comments, please?
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Far from being an expert in roses but to me seems like phytoplasma.
Take a look here http://fps.ucdavis.edu/websitepdfs/articles/rosephyllodyarticle081904.pdf
and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoplasma
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Thanks for that, Andriy, I'll pass the info on.
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You are welcome, John. I hope it helps.
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A little over a year ago my wife posted a photo of a newly acquired rose that was labelled as 'Andreanna's Parfum'. I have been unable to find any info on roses going under this name. However, the plant has flowered again this year and the photo does not come close to doing justice to the velvety look of the petals.
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I have taken 2 photographs of our' Australian roses' . The graft was brought by my Aussie cousin from his Rose garden in Adele. It is tough, survives our hot dry summers and never gets aphids. The other photo is of my Pierre de Ronsard. It has a solitary bud.
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Good morning Charitea
Gorgeous red roses -- such deep velvety colour.
I think our 'Pierre de Ronsards' must be siblings!! Mine also has just the solitary bud and has been generally slow to settle in. The flower is just luscious though (I had one [!] last year too) , so I am being patient 😇.
I've found that the roses I have planted have varied hugely in the time they take to settle in: after 4 years, 'Madame Alfred Carriere' has finally taken off (as in 'stand back' taken off), 'Madame Pierre Oger' went in only last year and now has 10 buds, 'Lady Emma Hamilton' also took her own sweet time, about 3 years, and is now filling out nicely. 'Abraham Darby' just died, probably my fault.
Alistair I think it was who referred me to a photo of a hedge of 'Pierre de Ronsard' in Australia, glorious, glorious it was. I am still hoping to get even halfway there, even if it takes a few years!
S.
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Apologies, should be 'Alisdair'.
S.
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Hi Pallas, I also saw that Australian photo. I hope to live long enough for the rose sticks to flourish. I am tempted to try some of the ones you had success with. I have had many roses die but my Rosa moscheta has been flowering well. I looked for it for years until I spotted it at a monastery. I visited three times to get cuttings. Each time I used different ways of asking for another cutting. I bribed the nuns with vegan cake, a book about flowers and a potted flower. A few years later l was told of a nursery that had them for sale. I bought three. All died but my monastery cutting survives. It is not a spectacular rose but for me it was a rose from my childhood.
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Lovely story about the cuttings from the monastery Charithea - " where there's a will there's a way" springs to mind.
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When I arrived at my current house I inherited 5 roses. Only one received any direct sun and that was in the shallowest soil imaginable. With a little bit of repositioning the yellow climbing rose is now over 6 feet long and is producing a mass of flowers which fade in their second day to off-white.
The second rose I moved is just beginning to show signs of life. If I get flowers I will post a photo. Adding ash to the soil of the other 3 roses has produced flowers on 2 of them. 1 pale pink and the other darker pink but with paler backs to the petals. I think the third will have to be moved.
I have no idea what kind of roses they are, Any suggestions welcome.
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David I don't know the names of any your roses but I love the pink very much. It has an air of gentle , soft beauty to it.
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I cannot help with rose identification, David, but thank you for the photos, they are lovely, a nice 'inheritance'! May I ask what sort of ash you used? Just wood ash from the fireplace?
There is something deeply satisfying about growing plants obtained, shall we say, unusually. I love your story about the nunnery, Charitea! Not as evocative, but I have some plants which I have grown on from pruned branches and potted plants left out by the rubbish bins. January is a good time for poinsettias! Last spring some mystery hippeastrums which had finished flowering were being sold for 50 cents a pop -- I bought half a dozen and 4 are now flowering: two creamy whites, a white white, and a white and pink.
Sorry, that was a bit off-topic...
I will post when I have photos of all the roses' flowers.
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Roses in Caceres, Spain.
My daughter sent me these photos of roses she saw in a park in Caceres, I thought I would share them with you.
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I love the over the top frilly pink one.
Daisy :)
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Hi Pallas,
Sorry for the long delay in replying. It came back to me that I had to reply while looking at the fabulous photos posted by Hilary. It was just ash from burning the garden rubbish last autumn. The soil is so poor where the rose is that I suppose it was happy to receive anything.
I was working in the garden today and got round to digging up the rose I mentioned in my earlier post. I have no idea if it will survive being transplanted at this time of year. It is, or rather was, completely covered by an oleander bush. I dug it out and put it in a pot until I can think where to put it. I took a photo of it 2 years ago when I first moved in but I can't find it. If I remember correctly, it was a darker pink than either of the two I posted last time. It was already in a bad way and then it got completely overshadowed so no flowers this year.
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I transplanted a rose recently out of necessity. It had buds at the time and I knew I was taking a risk of loosing it. I thought of pruning it down to relieve the stress but could not bring myself to do it. Although not in a position in full sun all day, the longest stems and those with buds looked very limp during the warmest hours of the day for quite some time. I obviously kept it well watered and now, about 3/4 weeks on, it is flowering and looking completely at home. I am sure yours, with some TLC David will survive.
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Thanks for the encouragement Umbrian. Let's hope I can post some pics in the future. But I doubt it will be this year as I did cut mine back. Let's see.
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Hi Hilary and the rest of the readers. The roses look wonderful. We have just returned from a garden visit in Trigoria near Rome. There were over a thousand varieties of them. It sounds unbelievable but true. I will try to post some photos when we return home.
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You were lucky with your timing of that visit Charithea as the prevailing stormy weather, with torrential rain here in Central Italy, has caused havoc with my roses. Look forward to seeing some photos later.
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Rosa floribunda, Sexy Rexy
Seen in the Rose Garden at Schinos on the other side of the Gerania mountain range, Greece.
If you click on http://www.cfhdf.gr/rosegardenEN.php (http://www.cfhdf.gr/rosegardenEN.php) you can learn all about this garden.
Hilary
24th December 2010
An e mail I sent to my friends in 2010.
I think you might like the photo
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Another old email.
Unfortunately the rose bush was too enthusiastically pruned and didn't survive the experience
Rosa, orange
This rose grows in the yard of an empty house down the street , three houses from the sea.
All summer long it produces these beautiful orange flowers.
The fresh leaves are a dark red colour
Hilary
25th November 2010
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Alisdair's updated your Rose Garden link, Hilary. What a horrible name for a lovely rose, by the way.
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One more email sent to my friends in 2011
Rosa = Rose
Another rose for your collection.
Seen at the Rose Garden, Schinos.
Hilary
13th March 2011
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Ugh!
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maybe you like this one better
Another old e mail
Rosa, Papagiovanni XX111
Another rose seen in The Rose Garden at Schinos.
We were there with the Mediterranean Garden Society in May 2008
Hilary
4th January 2011
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In 2001 went with a busload of women on an afternoon visit to the Rose Garden.
We were taken round by a guide who explained about the historical collection and how rose water is made at the garden.
Then I took many photos of the group.
Afterwards we went to Schinos for coffee
The photos were taken before digital camera times
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Yes Hilary much more acceptable! Sorry - didn't mean to offend you!
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I wasn't offended
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I have a few roses in Greece, but none of them have a name. They are bought from the local market and are just called 'rose'.
I am normally not so fond of orange flowers, but there are a few exceptions, this one is not pure orange, but starts with peach-coloured buds, then goes more orange and ends as peachy-rose. Lovely scent. Does anybody have an idea what it may be?
All my roses are suffering from leaf-eating bugs and some nasty fungus producing large, black spots. I finally managed to spray with an anti-fungus mix; we have had no rain for nearly three months, but it started raining a few hours after the treatment. Hopefully there are still a few leaves left when we return in the summer.
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IMG_20180501_151932-2.jpg Peach-coloured rose (https://flic.kr/p/24BPdH3) by Jorun Tharaldsen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/46063510@N03/), on Flickr
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P5029718-Edit.jpg Peach-coloured rose (https://flic.kr/p/KezQ6j) by Jorun Tharaldsen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/46063510@N03/), on Flickr
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P5029719.jpg Peach-coloured rose (https://flic.kr/p/KezR6A) by Jorun Tharaldsen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/46063510@N03/), on Flickr
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Hello Hilary. We saw so MANY roses on this trip . Amazing blooms. I, however, will not buy any because they will perish in this heat.
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You will have noticed that non of the rose bushes are actually mine!
I did have one i a pot a few years ago but it gave up the ghost
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When I read that the group visiting Italy had seen over a 1,000 varieties of Rose I assumed that they had been to the Rome Rose Garden. It is laid out very formally. Really a scientific exhibition of living roses, as can be seen from the photos in this local English-language newspaper. It is only open to the public for a couple of months and at this time of year. www.wantedinrome.com/whatson/romes-rose-garden-2018.html
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Jorun, we have the same problem here with rose identification. Most roses are imported from places like Holland and are not prepared for our heat, but we found one centre that brings them in from a grower in Greece. Avramis Roses in Giannitsa, somewhere in the Thessaloniki area, www.avramis.gr.
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Thanks for that, John; looks a big operation. I'll add them to the suppliers list the next time we update it, as they do mail order (bare root, November to April) to other countries than just Greece - mainly Italy and Cyprus, they say.
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We have suffered the same problem in Italy regarding the specific names of roses but the situation is much improved now with many nurseries stocking David Austin roses. In my early years here it was mainly ' Red Rose' or ' Yellow Rose' Many magnificent old specimens can be seen and the 'Red Rose' in particular has a wonderful perfume. I was lucky to inherit two old climbing varieties when we moved house , photographs of which I posted on the Forum several years ago hoping for identification but unfortunately with no luck. I continue to enjoy their perfume however and have added a Zephirin Drouhin.
Unfortunately this year the prevailing stormy weather has spoiled their magnificent display. A large section of the red rose fell from its support and the abundant flowers on all three have been reduced to soggy balls in the main.
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The MGS excursion to Umbria that we have just returned from visited the David Austin rose nursery. Below are just a few examples of what was on offer.
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First of all, David, a very belated thank you for the info on the wood ash. I am sorry I didn't notice it until today; somehow I stopped receiving notifications from this thread.
Swooning at the photos of all the gorgeous roses!
My Mme Alfred Carrière has finally settled in and is gearing up for an ample second flush of flower, Mme Pierre Oger did well: 6 blooms in her first year! Lady Emma is good but not (yet) brilliant and Pierre de Ronsard has, shall we call it 'further room for improvement' (I don't want to discourage him!). I will go find the photos and post some.
Personally, I find that names of rose varieties (and of plants in general, also irises, hemerocallis, tulips etc) do evoke strong reactions from me. I've often admired the pink rose 'Sexy Rexy' but just cannot bring myself to buy it with that name. I am obviously very impressionable!
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Here are some photos:
1. Mme Alfred Carrière
2. Lady Emma Hamilton
3. Pierre de Ronsard
4. Cut roses: from top left Pierre de Ronsard (darker pink), Lady Emma Hamilton (peach/apricot), Mme Pierre Oger (very cup-shaped, lighter pink).
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I took a cutting from a rambling rose a couple of years ago. The closed buds are a kind of nice cream colour but when the flowers open out they are pure white. The pink rose I posted a photo of a couple of weeks ago has given me more flowers.
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The cream/white one looks like "Albéric Barbier" - a very tough rambler which grows semi-wild in parts of NZ.
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Thanks Caroline. Like all the roses I have in my small garden, none of them have a variety name. I'll look "Albéric Barbier" up. The parent plant is indeed a tough rambler covering the whole of the front fence of a nearby house and reaching out into the street trees in front of it. Covered in flowers in spring. The parent plant flowered slightly earlier than my cutting but both have now finished flowering.
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David, Albéric Barbier fades to a definitely creamy white rather than a pure dead white. Hard for a photo to show, but yours looks almost pure white. Here's one I took a few minutes ago for comparison.
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Pallas, I was away when my Pierre de Ronsard opened but I took a picture when it was fading. I am hopeful! The last few days it has been putting out two new shoots so maybe this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
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As I said in an earlier posting I took over a garden which contained very little other than 5 roses. Each of these was in the strangest position and I needed to move 3 of them. One I moved early spring this year has sent up a new shoot and that has given me two flowers. The first opened while I was away and had already faded by the time the second opened. The previous owner obviously liked pink. 3 out of the 5 have now flowered resulting in 3 pink and 1 yellow. The last rose was moved about a month ago. It still looks alive but isn't doing anything yet. Will it be another pink?
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What a pretty delicate pink rose David. Thirty minutes in our strong sunlight and it will look white. I am posting two photos. One of Rosa moschata and a Rosa moschata plena. The first one is from our rose bush which has really settled down to producing lots of roses. Both of our 'plena' have died but the photo here is from a acquaintance of mine through the village improvement group. I was invited to see her highly perfumed roses but what caught my eye was this strong rumbling bush full of flowers. It has came from northen Cyprus, from her village, and she now wants to get rid of it because it looks untidy. She planted a Stephanotis next to it as a replacement. I of course volunteered to house the rose bush and advised her before attempting to dig it out to take several cutting to ensure it survival. There is only one other place where a Rose moschata plena can be bought and that is at the Kikko Monastery Nursery in Nicosia. A lady that lives up the mountain propagates them and then sells them there.
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It's rose time in our garden! I have to admit that though many don't get watered (or pruned regularly :o ) the ones that do best get a bit of water through the summer.
Here are a few:
1) a rose arch made by the understock (?Rosa multiflora) from a standard rose that died - I quite like the simplicity of the single flowers so have yet to remove it!
2) close up of the flowers;
3) A wrought iron "rose pillar" planted with Rosa 'Papa Delbard' and Clematis 'Romantika';
4) close up of Clematis 'Romantika' & Rosa 'Papa Delbard'
cheers
fermi
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I have a 'Love/Hate relationship with roses.....love the perfume of some I inherited when we moved house but hate the problems associated with them - blackspot, mildew.....and tackling the pruning. I have a real weakness for Clematis however and love the colour of Romantika - especially combined with the rose in your 'photos. Don't remove the white one- it is glorious in its simplicity!
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Hi Carole,
the understock rose is safe for a while! The scent at the moment is wonderful but after it finishes it gets quite rambunctious and really needs to be tamed.
Under a tree in the paddock a long time ago a rose came up which I presume is a seedling from either 'Albertine' or 'Bloomfield Abundance' with flowers half way between with a fresh tea scent. The tree is now gone and the rose has bushed out,
cheers
fermi
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That's a very pretty seedling - the foliage looks splendidly healthy, too
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David Dickinson's project of showing rose cultivars which do well in the Rome Rose Garden, and should be perfect for other mediterranean gardens, has been split off as a separate topic, which you can see by clicking here (http://www.mgsforum.org/smf/index.php?topic=2669.0). Thanks, David!
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With the wonderful rain we had and the sunny days in between the roses are starting to recover and some are already flowering. I have taken some photos for posting. One of the Banskia lutea with the buds on is many years old. It is growing slowly and has been flowing the last few years. The white rose is' name unknown 'although when we bought it it said White banksia. The blooms are much bigger then the normal white banksie and has lovely perfume and thorns. Finally the Rosa mutabilis full of flowers.
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Another of our roses that has opened. This one is labelled 'Andreanna's Parfum'.
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Opening now, a rose we got from Avramis Roses in Greece. Unfortunately we seem to have mislaid the label!
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Beautiful anonymous rose
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Rosa banksiae, Lady Bank’s Rose, Bank’s Rose
I recently joined a group of members of THE MEDITERRANEAN GARDEN SOCIETY visiting Pyrgos Vasilissis, The Queen's Tower, in Athens. This farm, vineyard, stables, olive groves is now surrounded by suburban Athens, but used to be out in the country when King Othon and Queen Amelia were King and Queen of Greece back in the 1830s to 1860s.
It was a dull and rainy day, not conducive for taking photos.
The estate is interesting and the guided tour gave us an insight into the kind of life Queen Amelia lived in the few years she and her husband were King and Queen of Greece.
The guided tour included entrance to the Pyrgos, tower, followed by a wine tasting.
There was a Banksia rose climbing over a metal pergola leading to the water cistern and the one I snapped climbing on one of the outhouses.
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Our rose is no longer anonymous as Charithea has found the label. It's 'Gaitee Fleurie' and below is what the 2 flowers look like today.
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Another of our Avramis' roses, Andreanna's Parfum, giving a repeat performance.
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Here are three photos of our Pierre De Ronsard. It was on its last legs last summer but the winter rain has revived. It has a record 9 rose buds on it and it is beginning to stretch out its branches.
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It's looking beautiful, Charitea. I do love this rose. Mine did OK last year but this February, a stand-in gardener cut it down to the ground (my normal gardener knows not to prune it) -- on the one day I had to go to the dentist and wasn't at home to supervise... :-[ Gutted.
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Pallas, this rose is tough. The roses stay open for more than a week. I am sorry yours was 'pruned' so hard. I was adviced by some of the Australians while we were attending tha AGM in Spain to prun it hard to help it grow strong. I decided to leave it for another year and I am glad I did. The rain did the job for me. Hopefully yours will grow strong and produce lots of roses.
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Many thanks for passing on the Australians' pruning advice, Charitea, it makes me a lot more hopeful! It does seem like this rose takes a few years to get its feet under the table, so I am just watering, feeding and cooing at it and hopefully it will take off. My flowers also last well, and they are so beautiful.
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Pallas, we all need to cultivate patience. I wish you well with your rose. Here are 3 photos of our Rosa moschata which took years to mature and produce flowers. I cropped the photos but left lots of foliage to convey how well it spread after the winter rain. Unfortunately the last of the 3 Rosa moschata plena which showed promise, died. They are beautiful flowers with wonderful perfume that my mother's generation grew. We have been unsuccessful to keep them alive for more than a year. The 'hunt' is on again for a mature hardy specimen.
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Rosa ‘New Dawn’
A climbing Rose growing in a Friend's garden in Loutraki. It seems I take photos of it in May quite often. Here are a couple of photos from 2012 and a couple from this year, 2019.
I didn't know if this rose was considered to be suitable for the Mediterranean climate but came across a reference to it by Heidi Gildemeister in THE MEDITERRANEAN GARDEN number 94, October 2018.
Read
A NATIVE MEDITERRANEAN GARDEN where ‘New Dawn’ dawn blooms with abandon
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Wow! What lovely roses. Do they have perfume?
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Not much scent at all
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As I mentioned in another thread, last year I took a cutting from some dumped trimmings of a rambling rose. I had no idea what flower it might have but this year I have a few flowers. They are about an inch across.
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Well done David. It looks lovely. I bemoaned the loss of my Rosa moschata plena but last night at our choir I was promised another. So here is to having friends.
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Yesterday we had catastrophic weather conditions with the hottest November day in over a hundred years. There were fires around Victoria but fortunately not nearby!
I took these pics of the Rosa multiflora and managed to capture the strange coloured sky in the background. It was caused by the amount of dust raised by the hot dry winds!
cheers
fermi
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Amazing second photo Fermi - almost surreal. So glad the fires are not close to you.
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... So glad the fires are not close to you.
So are we!
Here are three roses that were already in the garden when we came here.
The first is a single pale pink rambler without a name.
The second I think is 'Albertine'.
The third is an unnamed multiflora type with small, dark pink flowers,
cheers
fermi
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Hi Fermi. We were also worried about the fires. I HATE the sound of helicopters flying around here. It signals that there is/are fires somewhere. Our island is not that big and when the fires start they really burn quickly and the mountain sides look so forlorn. During the last few weeks I have been emailing daily my nephew, who lives just outside Sydney, but he has assured me that they were safe.
I love the Rosa multiflora. Our rambler is now full of buds and so are the rose bushes from Nortern Greece. They have settled down to our seasons.
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Amazing second photo Fermi - almost surreal...
Here's the Rosa multiflora against a nice blue sky :)
It has grown up into the neighbouring Silver Pear
cheers
fermi
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The last few ultra hot days have burnt the roses. Our Le pas du paradis which was full of rose buds one morning by the next afternoon they petals became like paper. The Pierre de Ronsard which took its time to grow and produce flowers, this year was not allowed to show its beauty. The petals tried to open but they went the same way as the other roses. Even the Rosa damascena did not fair any better. Luckily the old fashioned Rosa moschata is impervious to the heat and has started to flower and keeps me happy.
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Mine were ruined by some much needed rain just as they were in full flower. One reason why Roses are not amongst my favourite flowers.
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Rosa 'Sparrieshoop' is still putting out a few flowers but these pics were from last month.
I thought this was an "old" rose but see it was raised in the last half of the twentieth century (Kordes 1953) cheers
fermi
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Rosa 'Lorraine Lee' is a well known Australian rose bred by Alister Clark using Rosa gigantea, I think. In Melbourne it flowers through the winter but up here it waits till the frosts are over. It has a sweet scent typical of tea-scented roses.
This is a climbing version that we have trained up a wrought iron support
cheers
fermi
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Fermi, they are such a beautiful sight. We never had roses like this. You are a great gardener.
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Hi Charithea,
this rose was bred for our conditions - I just provide a support for it to grow on and water during the summer - it does everything by itself! ;D
cheers
fermi
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Rosa multiflora - this started off as the understock from a rose that died. It now fills the garden bed and really needs a good cut back - after it finishes flowering! The scent as you approach it is remarkable
cheers
fermi
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Rosa 'Sparrieshoop' and the red scentless 'Dr Huey' which is the understock used a lot these days!
cheers
fermi
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As Elvis Costello sang "it's been a good year for the roses"!
We have quite a few planted on the fence-line and this is a jungle of 'Albertine' , a single pink and 'Dr Huey'
cheers
fermi
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Further along the fence we moved a few roses from another area and I think this is Rosa ‘Nozomi’ which is also a single pink but looks a bit different to the one in the previous post,
cheers
fermi
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A rose seedling came up and grew up into a hawthorn. It appears to be a pink form of Rosa multiflora but maybe it has crossed with the "dog rose" Rosa canina which is wide-spread in the area
cheers
fermi
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Very naturally pretty though Fermi - finding a place to break through and flower.
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Here is another Rosa multiflora growing up through a silver pear,
cheers
fermi
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Fermi your roses are so beautiful and desirable. Shame you are so far away for a quick visit.
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Fermi your roses are so beautiful and desirable. Shame you are so far away for a quick visit.
You'd always be welcome, Charithea ;D
Here's a different rose which we think might be a seedling. It's a semi-rambling semi-double pink,
cheers
fermi
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Many garden centres here relied for years, and some still do, on obtaining roses from Holland. In the main these tended to suffer under the conditions they were expected to cope with. However, one of our favourite suppliers brings many of his roses in from Avramis Roses in Greece and they cope much better, having been grown in a similar climate.
Our latest acquisition is one labelled 'Gartentraume', a scented shrub with pink flowers.
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So agree about the importance of knowing the provenance of plants, not just roses. Many things are imported from Holland into Italy and, even if subjects suitable to our climate, often fail to establish well. Not a huge fan of roses as I have probably stated before but that is particularly attractive John with the frilled edges to the petals.......and of course scented- what is a rose without scent🙄
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Roses don't do very well in the heat of the Cyprus summer, in our garden, so I have decided to grow them in big pots and keep them under the trees. It means checking them daily when the weather warms up . Here is a photo of my new rose. It is supposed to be a David Austin rose but the supplier gave me only its catalogue number. I have not had success in discovering its name yet.
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You'd always be welcome, Charithea ;D
Here's a different rose which we think might be a seedling. It's a semi-rambling semi-double pink,
That rose is doing very well - as Elvis Costello sings "it's been a good year for the roses"! We had decent rain through the winter and spring and a lot of trees and shrubs are showing their appreciation!
cheers
fermi
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One of the roses in the garden which might be a parent of the preceding rose which a friend has suggested might be Rosa 'Iced Parfait' though it isn't "thornless or near thornless"
cheers
fermi