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A disappointment (curiosity?) ID'd by Hinterland1 as an Anacampseros
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A disappointment (curiosity?) ID'd by Hinterland1 as an Anacampseros
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David Dickinson
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A disappointment (curiosity?) ID'd by Hinterland1 as an Anacampseros
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June 10, 2015, 11:49:00 PM »
I bought this succulent looking at the big flower buds and expecting something spectacular to open out (pic 1 & 2). Instead, (pic 3) the bud quickly dried out and produced a seed head which was full of little "polystyrene" balls (pic 3). Is this the real "flower" for this plant or an example of the phenomenon known as "cleistogamy"?
(I read about cleistogamy in relation to
Pavonia hastata
and, as I read, my potted plant in its second year is repeating the same pattern as in its first year. That is, non-opening buds in spring but producing seed and (like last year hopefully!) flowering buds in autumn.)
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I have a small garden in Rome, Italy. Some open soil, some concrete, some paved. Temperatures in winter occasionally down to 0°C. Summer temperatures up to 40°C in the shade. There are never watering restrictions but, of course, there is little natural water for much of June, July and August.
Hilary
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Re: Id for a disappointment (curiosity?) please
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June 17, 2015, 07:21:35 AM »
Nobody seems to have any ideas about this plant.
I got out my cactus books this morning but there were no photos which looked anything like your flower/seed head
Have you any idea about the name of the plant or a photo taken from above?
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Living in Korinthos, Greece.
No garden but two balconies, one facing south and the other north.
Most of my plants are succulents which need little care
David Dickinson
Hero Member
Re: Id for a disappointment (curiosity?) please
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July 17, 2015, 12:03:28 PM »
Sorry about the delay in replying Hilary. Here is the photo from above that you asked for now that the flowering, or, rather, non-flowering stems have been cut back. Thanks for your help previously in trying to look it up for me :-)
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I have a small garden in Rome, Italy. Some open soil, some concrete, some paved. Temperatures in winter occasionally down to 0°C. Summer temperatures up to 40°C in the shade. There are never watering restrictions but, of course, there is little natural water for much of June, July and August.
Alisdair
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Re: Id for a disappointment (curiosity?) please
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July 18, 2015, 09:00:27 AM »
David, you might be interested in
this thread
about Echeveria flowers aborting (your plant looks to me like some Echeverias, but I know very little about succulents!)
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Alisdair Aird
Gardens in SE England (Sussex); also coastal Southern Greece, and (in a very small way) South West France; MGS member (and former president); vice chairman RHS Lily Group, past chairman Cyclamen Society
David Dickinson
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Re: Id for a disappointment (curiosity?) please
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July 18, 2015, 09:28:22 AM »
Thanks Alisdair. I have just read through the postings on the thread. Sounds like you have put me onto something very useful. How do you remember all these references to threads even on non-MGS blogs? I'm amazed. :-)
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I have a small garden in Rome, Italy. Some open soil, some concrete, some paved. Temperatures in winter occasionally down to 0°C. Summer temperatures up to 40°C in the shade. There are never watering restrictions but, of course, there is little natural water for much of June, July and August.
Alisdair
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Re: Id for a disappointment (curiosity?) please
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July 19, 2015, 08:25:19 AM »
I wish my memory was that good, David. I did dig about a bit, googling Echeveria and aborted flowers....
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Alisdair Aird
Gardens in SE England (Sussex); also coastal Southern Greece, and (in a very small way) South West France; MGS member (and former president); vice chairman RHS Lily Group, past chairman Cyclamen Society
Trevor Australis
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Re: Id for a disappointment (curiosity?) please
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July 25, 2015, 09:50:38 AM »
I have had this too - a disappointment as you say. I think it may have been - I got rid of mine - a Calandrinia. A weedy succulent, a few sp of which have nice pink blooms. They might be capable, like violets, of self fertilising flowers that develop after the furst flush and have no petals. TN
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M Land. Arch., B. Sp. Ed. Teacher, traveller and usually climate compatible.
David Dickinson
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Re: Id for a disappointment (curiosity?) please
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June 05, 2016, 04:14:02 PM »
I looked up
Calandrinia
on Trevor's advice and found that they had flowers similar to
Portulaca
. The plant produced even bigger, plumper buds this year but I resisted the temptation to get too hopeful. Then today I saw what you can see in the picture. So, looks like you were spot on Trevor with the genus. Now if the flower behaves itself we might get to know the species too. Fingers crossed.
Thanks again to Trevor
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I have a small garden in Rome, Italy. Some open soil, some concrete, some paved. Temperatures in winter occasionally down to 0°C. Summer temperatures up to 40°C in the shade. There are never watering restrictions but, of course, there is little natural water for much of June, July and August.
Hinterland1
Newbie
Re: Id for a disappointment (curiosity?) please
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June 05, 2016, 08:37:18 PM »
My dear David, sorry I'm late in the discussion....to me this looks like a South African member of the Portulacaceae, in your case:
Anacampseros rufescens
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David Dickinson
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Re: Id for a disappointment (curiosity?) please
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June 05, 2016, 09:49:56 PM »
Hi Hinterland,
I think that you are right. The pictures I saw on the internet of the species you indicate match the plant I have. There is evem a photo included here
http://www.cactusmineral.wbs.cz/CAUDICIFORMS-AND-OTHER-SUCCULENTS.html
which shows a seed head and seeds (very near the bottom of the very long page) which also matched the "disappointing" flower/seed heads I spoke about in my initial posting last year. It has taken a year to get there but I think I now have the name of my plant and, it seems, this year some flowers too :-)
Thanks again to Trevor and Hinterland.
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I have a small garden in Rome, Italy. Some open soil, some concrete, some paved. Temperatures in winter occasionally down to 0°C. Summer temperatures up to 40°C in the shade. There are never watering restrictions but, of course, there is little natural water for much of June, July and August.
Hinterland1
Newbie
Re: Id for a disappointment (curiosity?) please
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June 05, 2016, 09:58:48 PM »
David, I only saw the dates of the post much later! Yes, I saw that photo of your 'polystyrene' seeds. What might have happened initially is what they all say: you should never move the plant in a new position once the buds are out and about. You know - different position, insolation and so on, so they fell or never opened, or it was a seed head that opened later..anyway your plant as of today is quite impressive, very nice!
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David Dickinson
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Re: A disappointment (curiosity?) ID'd by Hinterland1 as Anacampseros rufescens
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June 14, 2016, 08:03:54 PM »
It seems that I am not the only one keen to see the flowers! Will one ever open fully? I can only hope.
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I have a small garden in Rome, Italy. Some open soil, some concrete, some paved. Temperatures in winter occasionally down to 0°C. Summer temperatures up to 40°C in the shade. There are never watering restrictions but, of course, there is little natural water for much of June, July and August.
David Dickinson
Hero Member
Re: A disappointment (curiosity?) ID'd by Hinterland1 as Anacampseros rufescens
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July 03, 2016, 01:38:32 PM »
The remaining buds on my
Anacampseros rufescens
never did open but they have produced polystyrene seeds again. So frustrating. However, I have discovered that I had bought an obviously related plant a few years ago and this has given me its first flower today. A bit breezy so the focus is not excellent but good enough to get an idea. I shall spend some time looking around on the internet tonight to try to track down its name (unless "Hinterland" or any other knowledgeable person is reading this, of course).
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I have a small garden in Rome, Italy. Some open soil, some concrete, some paved. Temperatures in winter occasionally down to 0°C. Summer temperatures up to 40°C in the shade. There are never watering restrictions but, of course, there is little natural water for much of June, July and August.
David Dickinson
Hero Member
Re: A disappointment (curiosity?) ID'd by Hinterland1 as Anacampseros rufescens
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July 03, 2016, 03:03:29 PM »
A quick glance at photos on the internet, using the species list found on the Wikipedia pages, revealed the following as possibilities:
Anacampseros arachnoides, coahuilensis, gracilis, lubbersii, retusa, telephiastrum
or
tomentosa
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I have a small garden in Rome, Italy. Some open soil, some concrete, some paved. Temperatures in winter occasionally down to 0°C. Summer temperatures up to 40°C in the shade. There are never watering restrictions but, of course, there is little natural water for much of June, July and August.
Hinterland1
Newbie
Re: A disappointment (curiosity?): Hinterland1 suggests Anacampseros retusa
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July 12, 2016, 03:45:38 PM »
Might be
Anacampseros retusa
, but don't take my word for it, I'm not really an
Anacampseros
specialist. Anyway pending positive ID just label it
Anacampseros sp
. One can't go wrong with that!
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