Hibiscus mutabilis

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John J

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Hibiscus mutabilis
« on: October 05, 2011, 07:20:06 AM »
My H. mutabilis has begun its autumn flowering phase. I have 2 trees, obtained from different sources, and while the flowers on this one open pure white, before blushing pink and ending up deep red as they shrivel and fall in the evening, the other misses the first stage and opens pink. The first 2 photos were taken this morning, both on the same tree, the 3rd was taken a few years ago.
Cyprus Branch Head. Gardens in a field 40 m above sea level with reasonably fertile clay soil.
"Aphrodite emerged from the sea and came ashore and at her feet all manner of plants sprang forth" John Deacon (13thC AD)

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Alisdair

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Re: Hibiscus mutabilis
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2011, 07:35:14 AM »
John, Thanks very much for introducing this splendid plant to the forum (with such characteristic pictures). It's far less widely known than it deserves to be, both beautiful and fascinating. Helena and I have just been drooling over your photos, as she says "As I keep saying we must get one... look at that... incredible... gorgeous."
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John J

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Re: Hibiscus mutabilis
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2011, 08:38:30 AM »
Thanks, Alisdair. The tree was in flower during the AGM in 2009 and I picked a few on one of the days as I was on my way out to meet the group at the hotel. The initial reaction from several people was that they were artificial. This particular tree is surprisingly tolerant when it comes to water, or lack of, it is not irrigated and only gets intermittent water if something else in the vicinity looks a bit thirsty.
Cyprus Branch Head. Gardens in a field 40 m above sea level with reasonably fertile clay soil.
"Aphrodite emerged from the sea and came ashore and at her feet all manner of plants sprang forth" John Deacon (13thC AD)

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Cali

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Re: Hibiscus mutabilis
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2011, 07:43:59 PM »
I'm not sure that my tree, which bears single flowers, is a Hibiscus mutabilis. All the others that I've seen are double. Here is a photo with a fresh and a spent flower.
Any opinions?
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John J

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Re: Hibiscus mutabilis
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2011, 04:46:31 AM »
Cali, I believe your plant is a H. mutabilis. The leaves are the same and the flower behaves in the same way, apart from being single. I have never seen a single variety but they do exist.
Cyprus Branch Head. Gardens in a field 40 m above sea level with reasonably fertile clay soil.
"Aphrodite emerged from the sea and came ashore and at her feet all manner of plants sprang forth" John Deacon (13thC AD)

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Alisdair

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Re: Hibiscus mutabilis
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2011, 07:46:46 AM »
Cali, The double form used to be described as Hibiscus mutabilis forma plenus, with the single form as the type species, but they're now all reckoned as in the same species. Very interesting to see your picture - I'd never seen the single form.
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Cali

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Re: Hibiscus mutabilis
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2011, 07:57:54 AM »
Thank you both. I've never been sure since I bought it 20 or so years ago at a plant sale as something else altogether and it took years to flower.
Cali
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John

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Re: Hibiscus mutabilis
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2011, 08:25:23 AM »
It is said to be native to south east China and the double form given the name "forma plena" which presumably means their are many clones of this form implying (perhaps) that the double is fertile and produces double seedlings?
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John J

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Re: Hibiscus mutabilis
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2011, 09:32:45 AM »
My tree certainly produces an abundence of seeds but I've never been tempted to try germinating them before. Now, curiosity aroused, I have an incentive to do so. I'll let you know what happens, if anything.
Cyprus Branch Head. Gardens in a field 40 m above sea level with reasonably fertile clay soil.
"Aphrodite emerged from the sea and came ashore and at her feet all manner of plants sprang forth" John Deacon (13thC AD)

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Fleur Pavlidis

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Re: Hibiscus mutabilis
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2011, 06:43:43 PM »
I sowed some seeds given to me by a friend thinking they were H. mutabilis, but in fact they have turned out to be H. paramutabilis I think. Anyway they germinated and transplanted very easily and flower quite well. The unplanted ones came through this summer in pots though my nursery watering system kept letting me down. They make rather inelegant bushes so I'm trying a mass planting.
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Alisdair

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Re: Hibiscus mutabilis
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2011, 07:38:25 PM »
Have you pictures, Fleur?
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Cali

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Re: Hibiscus mutabilis
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2011, 08:40:01 PM »
I looked it up in the RHS Plant Index and it says it's similar to H. mutabilis but "epical". Since I'm botanically illiterate, and the kind of "epic" I know about doesn't seem relevant, I'll ask for help in translation....
Yes, do you have a photo, Fleur? Because I bought a small supposed mutabilis from the nursery in Ag.Dimitrios when we went there together ages ago. It has since grown well but is a different hibiscus, I have no idea what. It does flower in the autumn, so maybe it ii is the epical kind.
Cali Doxiadis
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Alisdair

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Re: Hibiscus mutabilis
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2011, 07:16:58 AM »
Epical means having an apparent second calyx, an outer ring of sepals or bracts around the true calyx: but a photo would be much more helpful!
Alisdair Aird
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Cali

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Re: Hibiscus mutabilis
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2011, 10:15:43 AM »
Thank you Alisdair--I knew you'd come through.
My mystery autumn-flowering hibiscus has not flowered yet (it usually flowers later than the single mutabilis but this year I see no sign of buds... maybe because of the unusually dry summer and autumn) so I can't check whether it's epical or not.
Here are photos of the two together, and a close-p of the mystery. Fleur, does it look like yours?
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Gardens in Corfu, Greece.

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Fleur Pavlidis

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Re: Hibiscus mutabilis
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2011, 04:38:21 PM »
I can only post a photo taken just now of the leaves and buds from one of my plants. Below are some photos from Traude Gotsis of single Hibiscus which she calls mutabilis and she was the one who kindly gave me the seeds.
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