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Unknown succulent ID'd by Oron as Kalanchoe bracteata

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Daisy

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Unknown succulent ID'd by Oron as Kalanchoe bracteata
« on: January 17, 2014, 06:08:16 AM »
Does anyone know this succulent?
It has turned up in one of my pots. I like it, but would like to know it's ultimate height and width. Also, would it be happy in part day sun.
Thank-you.
Daisy :)


001 by Daisyincrete, on Flickr


002 by Daisyincrete, on Flickr
« Last Edit: January 18, 2014, 11:51:11 AM by Alisdair »
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Charithea

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Re: Unknown succulent
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2014, 06:32:29 AM »
Hello Daisy, I think your plant is a Kalanchoe orgyalis. It grows to about 30-60 cm in height. It likes the sun or partial shade. We have the copper colour variety.Charithea.
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David Dickinson

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Re: Unknown succulent
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2014, 11:52:02 AM »
Hi,

I think Charithea is right. I have lots of succulents which have no name so I went to look at the collection in Rome Botanic Gardens and found Kalanchoe orgyalis there. The photo I took of that specimen is attached. I think that the current chain on "plant labelling" is especially relevant to cacti and succulents. I have so many that are unlabelled. I keep on saying that I will send photos for identification to the forum but there really are so many that I fear members  would be heard to say " Oh no, not David Dickinson and his succulents yet again!"
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Alisdair

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Re: Unknown succulent
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2014, 12:57:51 PM »
David, Don't worry about people tiring of ID photos! I think everyone always enjoys having a think about them. My worry though is that I don't know of anyone on the forum who is a real expert on cactuses and succulents. I'll put trying to persuade one or two to join us on my "to do" list - any suggestions, please!
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John J

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Re: Unknown succulent
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2014, 01:05:31 PM »
I hope I'm not stepping on the moderators toes here, David, but personally I'd advise you to 'go for it'. Many of the contributors to the forum like nothing better than a challenge and possibly some of our Cactus & Succulent experts might be tempted to display their knowledge!
You beat me to it, Alisdair, I was just getting ready to post the above!
Mary Michaelides here in Cyprus is an MGS member and President of the Cyprus Cactus & Succulent Society. If we gang up on her we might be able to persuade her to involve her members in an identification parade!!!
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Alisdair

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Re: Unknown succulent ID'd by Charithea and David Dickinson as Kalanchoe orgyalis
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2014, 04:17:57 PM »
Ganging up on Mary Michaelides sounds an excellent wheeze, John!
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Re: Unknown succulent ID'd by Charithea and David Dickinson as Kalanchoe orgyalis
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2014, 08:51:21 AM »
I would suggest Kalanchoe bracteata. (Silver teaspoon) it has much smaller, silvery leaves then in K. orgyalis.
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Alisdair

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Re: Unknown succulent ID'd by Oron as Kalanchoe bracteata
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2014, 11:53:30 AM »
I wonder if the various non-copper "K. orgyalis" plants that are labelled as that are all really Kalanchoe bracteata?
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Daisy

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Re: Unknown succulent ID'd by Oron as Kalanchoe bracteata
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2014, 03:37:47 PM »
Thank-you all for your help.
There is no copper hue on the plant at all, so I think it must be Kalanchoe bracteata.
I have Googled it to find out how tall it grows, but various sites give varying heights, from 12 inches to 4 feet!
Does anyone know how tall it becomes?
It will determine where I put it.
I like it when new plants just turn up like this one did.  ;D
Daisy :)
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Alevin

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Re: Unknown succulent ID'd by Oron as Kalanchoe bracteata
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2014, 03:52:42 PM »
Daisy, the ones we are growing in the propagation house are about 50 cm or more; the ones that grow outdoors are smaller and more compact in general.
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Daisy

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Re: Unknown succulent ID'd by Oron as Kalanchoe bracteata
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2014, 03:56:35 PM »
Thank-you Alevin. Now I know where to plant it.
Daisy :)
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